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JDR

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Hi all new to the chat.
Sorry if this has already been answered.
Are the new rules for the 26/27 season going all the way down to grassroots football
 
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Yes. The LOTG apply to every football game. The only changes not relevant to us at grassroots are the VAR ones (obviously!)
 
JDR said:
It’s going to be hard especially for throwings for younger ages
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If you're talking about the new 'five second rule', for throw-ins, it's not in the form of a fixed, automatic five second time limit.

The referee should only start a five second countdown if and when they decide that the thrower is unfairly delaying the restart.

It doesn't apply to every throw-in, every time - only when the referee judges it necessary.
 
JDR said:
It’s going to be hard especially for throwings for younger ages
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As throws are only used from age 12 upwards, we are looking at youth football rather than mini-soccer; from my experience, most teenagers just want to get on with it.
Awareness of the count if needed early in the game will sort any stragglers.
 
Peter Grove said:
If you're talking about the new 'five second rule', for throw-ins, it's not in the form of a fixed, automatic five second time limit.

The referee should only start a five second countdown if and when they decide that the thrower is unfairly delaying the restart.

It doesn't apply to every throw-in, every time - only when the referee judges it necessary.
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Exactly this not forgetting too it's a "team offence" is this one, so for arguments sake, a player picks up the ball and is taking his time and you start the countdown so to speak, if he then chucks it to another teammate the visual countdown you are doing doesn't restart. The restart is giving it to the opposition. I was thinking about that the other day, not sure at which point it becomes the caution for delaying restart of play as if 2 teams are playing out for a draw, could just end up in "countdown tennis" !
 
SMYeaSM said:
not sure at which point it becomes the caution for delaying restart
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I imagine the guidance will be the same as goalkeepers holding the ball where it needs to be 3 clear repeats before the yellow comes out. Not sure if this would be 3 clear team or player repeats tho
 
SMYeaSM said:
Exactly this not forgetting too it's a "team offence" is this one, so for arguments sake, a player picks up the ball and is taking his time and you start the countdown so to speak, if he then chucks it to another teammate the visual countdown you are doing doesn't restart. The restart is giving it to the opposition. I was thinking about that the other day, not sure at which point it becomes the caution for delaying restart of play as if 2 teams are playing out for a draw, could just end up in "countdown tennis" !
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The protocol says:

"Where the restart is awarded to the opposing team, a caution (yellow card) applies only if the player or a team-mate then excessively delays the restart by the opposing team."

So in theory, probably won't be cautioning often. Interesting to see if there will be guidance issued over repeat offences though
 
Samuel said:
I imagine the guidance will be the same as goalkeepers holding the ball where it needs to be 3 clear repeats before the yellow comes out. Not sure if this would be 3 clear team or player repeats tho
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And the GK caution for this remains among the dumbest elements of the Laws. (Competition from the caution for GK encroachment on PKs.) Which probably doesn’t matter as it is unlikely to ever happen as the GK doesn’t want to be giving up the CK.
 
Gabriel said:
Interesting to see if there will be guidance issued over repeat offences though
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Repeat offences are meant to be cautioned for "persistent offences". Even if done by different players caution goes to the last player similar to repeat fouls by different players on the same opponent. As with fouls, best course of action is prevention rather than cure.
 
one said:
Repeat offences are meant to be cautioned for "persistent offences". Even if done by different players caution goes to the last player similar to repeat fouls by different players on the same opponent. As with fouls, best course of action is prevention rather than cure.
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The text of Law 12 doesn’t really support that:

“A player is cautioned if guilty of:
. . .
persistent offences (no specific number or pattern of offences constitutes ‘persistent’)”

The player is not guilty of persistent offenses if it is his first offense. The U.S. has long taught that where it is, for example, targeting of a particular opponent by multiple players, the caution is for USB. Not for PO. Not that it really matters, as the result is the same either way.
 
socal lurker said:
The text of Law 12 doesn’t really support that:

“A player is cautioned if guilty of:
. . .
persistent offences (no specific number or pattern of offences constitutes ‘persistent’)”

The player is not guilty of persistent offenses if it is his first offense. The U.S. has long taught that where it is, for example, targeting of a particular opponent by multiple players, the caution is for USB. Not for PO. Not that it really matters, as the result is the same either way.
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Fair point. But since we are talking semantics the text does say 'no specific number'. Though I appreciate calling a player's first offence persistence is stretching it.
 
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