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RustyRef said:
He isn't an elite category referee so was never going to the USA anyway. I suspect this was something of a development game for him and he has fluffed his lines in a big way.

For the big decisions, I don't think the challenge by Araujo was as bad as the commentators made out, but he came in with a lot of force and caught him high up the leg. In isolation I can just about accept VAR not getting involved, but the same VAR has then got involved in a very debatable penalty decision. One of those decisions was a far more clear and obvious error than the other, and it wasn't the penalty one.

As for Ugarte, he definitely cautioned him earlier in the game for a foul on Palmer, and when he showed the card for dissent there really can't be any doubt it was for him, so this is a massive mess up.
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Its now being claimed (and Flashscores has updated itself) that Gimenez was the one carded first (despite the ref pointing at Ugarte, walking towards Ugarte, and shoving the card in Ugartes face) and rescinded his second one on field.
Dont get me wrong, we can do that if we've genuinely made a mistake but that's likely a mistaken identity mistake with a team of officials there to correct you.

Ugarte was carded twice.
No ifs, no doubts.
He was subbed very quickly after.
 
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ladbroke8745 said:
Its now being claimed (and Flashscores has updated itself) that Gimenez was the one carded first (despite the ref pointing at Ugarte, walking towards Ugarte, and shoving the card in Ugartes face) and rescinded his second one on field.
Dont get me wrong, we can do that if we've genuinely made a mistake but that's likely a mistaken identity mistake with a team of officials there to correct you.

Ugarte was carded twice.
No ifs, no doubts.
He was subbed very quickly after.
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The first one was for a foul, and it was clearly Ugarte that committed it so that isn't open to debate. The second one it really couldn't be any more clear that it was shown to Ugarte for dissent, the card was literally shown to his face with no one else close by.

I can only assume that he only after showing the second caution he realised he had already cautioned him, and then out of sight of the TV cameras cancelled the card and showed it to someone else. Can't really come up with any explanation for it.
 
RustyRef said:
The first one was for a foul, and it was clearly Ugarte that committed it so that isn't open to debate. The second one it really couldn't be any more clear that it was shown to Ugarte for dissent, the card was literally shown to his face with no one else close by.

I can only assume that he only after showing the second caution he realised he had already cautioned him, and then out of sight of the TV cameras cancelled the card and showed it to someone else. Can't really come up with any explanation for it.
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Its baffling.
They're saying the first one, the foul caution, belongs to Gimenez..
 
Shocking. If anyone wants a laugh though, I just saw this text on Jablonski's wikipedia page:

In an international friendly match between England and Uruguay on 27 March 2026, he failed to send off Uruguay midfielder Manuel Ugarte despite having issued the player with two yellow cards. Fourth official Benjamin Brand stated that the yellow card was rescinded, even though this action was not permissible within the rules at the time. FIFA did not investigate as they thought it was funny because it happened to England.

At least this pointless friendly has had a talking point...
 
Tealeaf said:
Not seeing it myself. For all Lee Dixon banging on about that being red in the Premier League, I very much doubt it. I know we do t take pundits into account but there’d be a few going on about how harsh it is etc.

And had that been an England player, and he’d been sent off, we’d never hear the end of it.
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Are you serious?
Have you seen it back?
Are we both talking about the challenge on Foden?
It’s a red card on any day, in any league, every single day of the week
 
ladbroke8745 said:
Its now being claimed (and Flashscores has updated itself) that Gimenez was the one carded first (despite the ref pointing at Ugarte, walking towards Ugarte, and shoving the card in Ugartes face) and rescinded his second one on field.
Dont get me wrong, we can do that if we've genuinely made a mistake but that's likely a mistaken identity mistake with a team of officials there to correct you.

Ugarte was carded twice.
No ifs, no doubts.
He was subbed very quickly after.
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It’s giving level 4 referee who has f*cked up and is trying to pull the wool over the observers eyes vibes.
 
What im struggling with is the situation with who he has apparently booked and the timeline that at least the tv people are telling us from when they've been told info.

On screen, live, it looks like Ugarte is booked.
Then Ugarte gets another card, following Whites goal, 10 minutes later.
Comms then tell us it was rescinded which is why he was not sent off.
Play continues.
After the match, we're then told it was Gimenez that was cautioned and not Ugarte for the first card. But Ugarte card was still rescinded despite other outlets, including Opta, still recording the yellow card to Ugarte after the goal.

So...

70' Ugarte booked
81' Ugarte booked
82' Ugarte rescinded
FT Ugarte not booked (70'), reassigned to Gimenez
FT Ugarte (2nd) booking now showing up?**

Bearing in mind that the 4th official relays ALL information to broadcasters for correct information to show on screen as well as it being blatantly obvious.
If its not blatantly obvious then he needs to change how he shows his discipline to people.

** this is questionable as its now showing everywhere he has been cautioned and if they're saying it was Gimenez that got the 1st, then the so called rescinded one was not, in fact, rescinded.
 
Having seen the first caution back I can actually see a world where it was issued for dissent (and Christ knows what the other player felt he had to moan about) but the whole thing about the 2nd one being rescinded is utterly bizarre
 
In the 70th minute, the YC was out of the pocket immediately after the foul on Palmer by Ugarte. Giminez dissent is because he sees the YC.

These officials are making it up.

Does show the merits of ‘slow the process down’, don’t flash cards.
 
RefereeX said:
Are you serious?
Have you seen it back?
Are we both talking about the challenge on Foden?
It’s a red card on any day, in any league, every single day of the week
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Am I serious? Yes. Did I immediately think red when I first saw it? No.

And that’s the clincher - there’s still doubt for me and I have to be absolute to go red.

Maybe my definition of high differs, or maybe I’m a little more detached emotionally from it.

For me, ball, boot, and low ankle/shin contact granted. Higher up still, easy red. No ball at all, easy red. Maybe that’s putting the doubt in my mind but I just can’t make that leap 14 hours later.
 
Tealeaf said:
Am I serious? Yes. Did I immediately think red when I first saw it? No.

And that’s the clincher - there’s still doubt for me and I have to be absolute to go red.

Maybe my definition of high differs, or maybe I’m a little more detached emotionally from it.

For me, ball, boot, and low ankle/shin contact granted. Higher up still, easy red. No ball at all, easy red. Maybe that’s putting the doubt in my mind but I just can’t make that leap 14 hours later.
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You’re obviously entitled to your opinion, so I don’t mean to be dismissive, but I don’t think the ball is relevant here, it’s a terrible challenge for me. And I like to think that’s from an unbiased perception, albeit obviously I am an England fan.
 
I can promise you all, BIG CATS 24/7 on the other channel was a better watch. My family caught this Zebra and we got a very good view of them feasting on the guts of the animal. It was a lot less upsetting than watching that joke of a refereeing team on ITV
 
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Looking at the 70th minute yellow card several times, and looking at Gimenez animated actions and timing of going for the yellow pocket, it is much more likely the first yellow was for Gimenez. He only went for the yellow after Gimenez got animated and vocal. And it looked like he was looking at him too.

Yes the yellow was after a foul the could have been deemed reckless but it doesn't necessarily mean it was for the foul.

This is a very good example of why it is important to either isolate or point to the player you are showing a yellow to.
 
one said:
Looking at the 70th minute yellow card several times, and looking at Gimenez animated actions and timing of going for the yellow pocket, it is much more likely the first yellow was for Gimenez. He only went for the yellow after Gimenez got animated and vocal. And it looked like he was looking at him too.

Yes the yellow was after a foul the could have been deemed reckless but it doesn't necessarily mean it was for the foul.

This is a very good example of why it is important to either isolate or point to the player you are showing a yellow to.
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I think if you watch it again, the whistle is quickly followed by the YC coming out of the pocket before any dissent can be given, he publicly rebukes Gimenez’s dissent & waves him away, there is little doubt the YC is for the foul.

The live score websites are showing Gimenez YC 70th minute & are showing the ‘rescinded’ 81st minute YC for Ugarte.
 
DJIC said:
I think if you watch it again, the whistle is quickly followed by the YC coming out of the pocket before any dissent can be given, he publicly rebukes Gimenez’s dissent & waves him away, there is little doubt the YC is for the foul.

The live score websites are showing Gimenez YC 70th minute & are showing the ‘rescinded’ 81st minute YC for Ugarte.
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Watched it several times and watched it again. I am clear the sequence is NOT what you are say it is. My guess is Live scores work on optics and what it loos like happened rather than actual reports.

Start of whistle and point direction. Gimenez is already gesturing for Foden to get up and looking at the referee.
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Whistle is long and Gimenez is now throwing his hand up at the referee in frustration of the foul given.
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Whistle still in mouth and pointing direction. Gimenez is continuing an now giving some verbal.
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Referee goes to his back pocket.
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Referee points to the direction of both players!!!!
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Card is show in the general direction (more so Gimenez) but it looks like he is looking at Gimenez.
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If it is genuinely a card for Gimenez, that makes the refereeing decisions on fouls even worse as this challenge, too, was reckless at best. He was off the floor with both feet jumping into the challenge. On landing there ended up being minimal contact but moreso because the England player moved to avoid further contact.
 
This round of international friendlies seem to have been given to next level down from the Elite referees, this was a corner signalled by Swedish referee Glenn Nyberg. 🙈

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ladbroke8745 said:
If it is genuinely a card for Gimenez, that makes the refereeing decisions on fouls even worse as this challenge, too, was reckless at best. He was off the floor with both feet jumping into the challenge. On landing there ended up being minimal contact but moreso because the England player moved to avoid further contact.
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On full speed and live it looked worse than what it actually was. On replay, yes he was off the floor but it wasn't a lunge, it was a jump and his studs was always pointing downwards. There was no contact until he was completely on the ground and the only contact was minimal at the end with the knee to the tight with not a great deal of force. I would have been ok with a card but also certainly ok without it as well. I have seen worse tackles than this not given a caution in EPL. I'm not going to push my luck on this one on an English forum any further. 😉😆
 
DJIC said:
This round of international friendlies seem to have been given to next level down from the Elite referees, this was a corner signalled by Swedish referee Glenn Nyberg. 🙈

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✂️ Corner

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Not sure what the problem is here - the shot deflects off Red #4. Notice how none of the Red players are surprised or argue that a corner is given.

Not to mention that Nyberg has been in the Elite category for nearly three years now.
 
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