Tottenham v Man City
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Haven't seen it. But if it was DOGSO but a goal, it would be a caution, and if it was a caution for anything other than SPA, it would still be a caution after advantage was played.
I guess this must have been discussed before, but can you commit SPA by grabbing an opponent off the ball which doesn't actually stop the promising attack? Just straight USB?
On this once, for me the player put his foot in front of the ball and hence it’s not a clear and obvious error. It’s like a striker initiates contact with a player and then claimed a foul.
Here the player didn’t get the ball, but put his foot to try and draw the foul.
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Since advantage was played, a caution for SPA would be wrong in Law. But simple USB could be given.
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I was thinking about the Haaland incident where he was "bundled" before the ball was played in.
Refs constantly stop corners being taken to speak to players about this sort of thing happening and do nothing about it when balls played in. Yet nothing was done about this before ball played in.
Whether Haaland goes down easily or not is irrelevant really.
The fact Tottenham players have actually taken him out of the corner situation by effectively putting him on the deck and gaining an advantage is wrong.
Id love to see it where a referee blows his whistle to restart the game and once blown, the game is back in play regardless if the ball is kicked back in or not. This pushing and shoving at corners before ball is kicked would be killed off quickly.
Refs constantly stop corners being taken to speak to players about this sort of thing happening and do nothing about it when balls played in. Yet nothing was done about this before ball played in.
Whether Haaland goes down easily or not is irrelevant really.
The fact Tottenham players have actually taken him out of the corner situation by effectively putting him on the deck and gaining an advantage is wrong.
Id love to see it where a referee blows his whistle to restart the game and once blown, the game is back in play regardless if the ball is kicked back in or not. This pushing and shoving at corners before ball is kicked would be killed off quickly.
interesting thought...same applies from all restarts inc long throw ins (unless they go quickly)? i like it just thinking of the practical application!
Watched this several times and can only see a foul by Solanke on Guehi prior to first Spurs goal. Solanke clearly kicks the back of Guehi's leg, which is pushed forward by the impact and force. Should have been a dfk to Man City in my opinion. Surely a player kicking through the back of an opponents leg should be penalised. Seems like VAR excusing the lack of involvement. (No City bias here either).
I hadn't seen this but just been asked about it by a 2 work colleagues having a debate. One arguing it's a blatant foul and one arguing nothing wrong with it. (Both Liverpool fans so no bias really).
I think Solanke plays the ball narrowly before playing Guehi's leg. Of course we know this doesn't mean it can't be a foul, but expectation dictates it's less likely to be a foul unless it's reckless or worse. It's definitely a 'refs call' situation for me and I probably just about come down on the side of no foul.
I think Solanke plays the ball narrowly before playing Guehi's leg. Of course we know this doesn't mean it can't be a foul, but expectation dictates it's less likely to be a foul unless it's reckless or worse. It's definitely a 'refs call' situation for me and I probably just about come down on the side of no foul.
If a team mate has the ball and a simple pass to a player who will be ‘in on goal’ and the player who is the would be recipient is pulled down / tripped off the ball, that sounds like a promising attack stopped to me…How can a SPA be off the ball... is it a promising attack when the attacker doesn't have the ball?
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Off the ball, I’d be more inclined to call it simple USB and caution even if advantage was played.
Maybe, but in that scenario would you not be cautioning for the trip for pull off the ball, both of which are cautions for unsporting behaviour in their own right? I get the point you make, but I can’t see a scenario where a hypothetical caution for SPA when the player does not have the ball, isn’t also a caution for something else?
As an example, rather than a trip or a pull in your example, if it was Just a tackle that would otherwise be careless, does it not become reckless because it’s off the ball? So again, the caution would be for the reckless tackle not for stopping a promising attack. Not saying you are wrong just advise a what the game expects decision or explanation.
(Edit to correct the multitude of spelling errors from iPhone’s dictation!)
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I am going to answer this question outside of the context of this thread and be specific to the question. My answer is no, not necessarily. While you can take into account that it is off the ball, the definition of careless and reckless are clear in law and off the ball doesn't automatically make a careless, a reckless act.
On the subject at hand, I am on the side of caution for the grabbing and pulling back. Let's take the promissing attack out of it. Let's say Haaland was very close to his own PA and the ball is in his keeper's hands. The act of grabbing was so blatant and dare I say unsporting that it deserved a caution regardless of advantage. I do understand this is subjective but IMO the caution was still justified even if an advanantage was played in a promissing attack.
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Not sure I go along with this. An "off the ball" could still be as a result of showing a lack of attention or acting without precaution. And that could interfere with or stop a promising attack but does not automatically become reckless.
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Re Haaland being rugby tackled to the ground at a corner, my attention has been drawn to Howard Webb's "war on holding":
What's new in the Premier League: War on holding, keeper rule, RefCam
The Premier League gets started on Friday, and with it comes a series of tweaks to the laws and how the games will look.
(The get-out that it was all before the ball was in play is short of evidence of when the ball was played - and that at the time VAR even looked at it.)