Barnet red card

I saw this earlier and wondered if all the 4 considerations for DOGSO were ticked.

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As we know, they’re considerations, not requirements.

Control or (crucially) likelihood of gaining control… for me, without the foul there is nobody anywhere else that’s gonna stop that player gaining control
Direction… both the ball and the player likely to gain control of it are moving towards goal
Defenders… other than the player committing the foul, the other defenders are in a different post code
Distance… the only question mark not obviously ticked… but like I say, it’s a consideration, but I don’t believe the distance is sufficient to prevent the player from having an obvious goalscoring opportunity if he isn’t fouled.

I don't care if ALL of the considerations are met or not, it's obviously Denying an Obvious GS Opportunity and anyone who gets overly wrapped up in wordy clarifications will be in obvious grave danger of having a very difficult day at the office

Big Cat said:

I don't care if ALL of the considerations are met or not, it's obviously Denying an Obvious GS Opportunity and anyone who gets overly wrapped up in wordy clarifications will be in obvious grave danger of having a very difficult day at the office

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Have to agree. Was surprised he took so long to get the RC out. Looked like he was communicating with other officials……. At that level I’d expect it to be given straight away.

dylanbailey4444 said:

Have to agree. Was surprised he took so long to get the RC out. Looked like he was communicating with other officials……. At that level I’d expect it to be given straight away.

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The video is geo blocked for me. Based on the description, my guess would be that if it was at distance, the R wanted to check with his team to be sure he hadn’t missed a defender close enough to vitiate the OGSO. Really no reason not to be patient and see if anyone saw something to consider before flashing a card.

Once you give a free kick there I can't see that there can be any decision other than red card. I'd guess the reason he took so long is it came from a long punt down the pitch and he probably didn't have a great view, makes sense to validate it with the active AR.

socal lurker said:

The video is geo blocked for me. Based on the description, my guess would be that if it was at distance, the R wanted to check with his team to be sure he hadn’t missed a defender close enough to vitiate the OGSO. Really no reason not to be patient and see if anyone saw something to consider before flashing a card.

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I do see what you’re saying. But like others have said , it’s got to be a red card and I just felt it look a tad long for him to give it considering the only option was red card. But I do appreciate your point

dylanbailey4444 said:

I do see what you’re saying. But like others have said , it’s got to be a red card and I just felt it look a tad long for him to give it considering the only option was red card. But I do appreciate your point

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You might be right on this specific occasion. However I've seen / experienced plenty of examples the other way, normally where referees pull out a YC when proper discussion with their active AR might well have resulted in the correct Red Card. As others have said, on a MCS like this, better to take a few more seconds to ensure the decision is as informed as possible.

For some reason I can’t get the sky video either, but saw it on the ITV show.

It looked like there was other stuff going on around him with players crowding in. Maybe he wanted to get close enough to the offender to show the card and not inflame a situation. Looked like the benches were going mad too so maybe had 4th in his ear about that too.

I saw this on you tube and he has a good view with obvious red card once he blew for a foul. I can't see any reason why he couldn't continue his run (instead of walking pace) and show the red card 3 seconds later to avoid the crowding. It's the crowding and managing it that caused the delay. Note the timer at the bottom of the images.

@one, the GK is out of his area attempting to ‘sweep up’. I would absolutely be expecting the referee to be checking with his AR the ‘Control’ element, ie whether the attacker was likely to get to the ball ahead of the keeper. From the ideal side on angle (which both the camera and AR have, but the ref does not) it’s clear the attacker would win the race. From the referee’s position, less so.

To quote every single coach (when the decision doesn’t go their way), “talk to your Lino ref”

Russell Jones said:

@one, the GK is out of his area attempting to ‘sweep up’. I would absolutely be expecting the referee to be checking with his AR the ‘Control’ element, ie whether the attacker was likely to get to the ball ahead of the keeper. From the ideal side on angle (which both the camera and AR have, but the ref does not) it’s clear the attacker would win the race. From the referee’s position, less so.

To quote every single coach (when the decision doesn’t go their way), “talk to your Lino ref”

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I see your view however I feel that control would have also been an obvious one. Not easy to get from still images but the initial foul occurred will inside of the attacker's half and taking the offender out, the attacker would have got to the ball well ahead of the keeper.

I do agree though, if the referee had any doubts he should consult the AR. I will still think most of the delay was caused due to managing the crowding. I also think once he was crowded and had to manage that before giving a decision, consulting the AR was a good decision selling tool.

On a related note, one of the teachings I/we received a few years ago was to avoid moving to hot spots after a foul with the exception of if a melees forming. Moving to a hotspot facilitates both forming a melee and referee crowding. In this case the hot spot was where the attacker had gone down and the offender was well away from it already. Another good example is the location of the foul and the penalty spot for penalty foul.