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Big Mick

Big Mick

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Hi all, would like to get your thoughts on this one.
There is one ref in the county and he is refing a few years but he is completely incompetent.
Doesn’t understand the game, makes truly baffling decisions and has a massive ego in terms of how he talks to players, makes decisions and dishes out unnecessary cards.
There is many instances of this, and it’s not an off day.
He even turned up to a double game on grass, wet, muddy day and reffed the game wearing runners despite himself checking players boots before a game.
It has come to the stage now, I feel this refs performance needs to be highlighted and he needs to be independently evaluated regularly as it is tarnishing the game.
What are your thoughts on this?
Let me say, I am involved in football 30 years and understand everyone may have a bad day or one may feel aggrieved with some decisions but refs are out there doing the best they can, and 99% of refs are decent refs for the level they are at.
And I have never thought about this situation with another ref.
 
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Big Mick said:
What are your thoughts on this?
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My thoughts are that this whole thread sounds a bit sus. First post from a new member putting down a referee in a referee forum. And then a member who has not been active since September assuming this ref has "low consistent marks".

If the allegations in the OP are true then there are better channels to raise the issue.
 
one said:
My thoughts are that this whole thread sounds a bit sus. First post from a new member putting down a referee in a referee forum. And then a member who has not been active since September assuming this ref has "low consistent marks".

If the allegations in the OP are true then there are better channels to raise the issue.
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I don't think the response is particularly suspicious. "Surely the league must have marks", was my immediate thought too.

However, I'm also a bit suspicious of first posts of this nature.
 
Viridis1886 said:
I don't think the response is particularly suspicious. "Surely the league must have marks", was my immediate thought too.
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I think what you tought is ok. But the word surly in the post referred to the league actions and not the marks. I am guess though and of course I can be wrong.
 
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one said:
I think what you tought is ok. But the word surly in the post referred to the league actions and not the marks. I am guess though and of course I can be wrong.
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Agree with @Viridis1886 , I think the response is intended to mean 'if what you say is correct then surely that referee would have consistent low marks which would then be followed through', not just an assumption that he does.

I also, however, don't think the OP is trying to pose as a referee, I read it that he's just asking the question and we know all referees aren't in it for the right reasons and aren't giving it their all.
Yes, a referee forum probably isn't the best place to come and moan about referees generally, but I think he's saying he doesn't like moaning if he can see the referee in question is making an effort, but he alleges that the referee in question is not making an effort at all.

Of course, we don't know how true that is... but I would suggest an email to the county FA would be the best place to start if you have a genuine grievance. They will then be best placed to judge whether it's sour grapes which they probably get alot of, or a legitimate argument.
 
Big Mick said:
Hi all, would like to get your thoughts on this one.
There is one ref in the county and he is refing a few years but he is completely incompetent.
Doesn’t understand the game, makes truly baffling decisions and has a massive ego in terms of how he talks to players, makes decisions and dishes out unnecessary cards.
There is many instances of this, and it’s not an off day.
He even turned up to a double game on grass, wet, muddy day and reffed the game wearing runners despite himself checking players boots before a game.
It has come to the stage now, I feel this refs performance needs to be highlighted and he needs to be independently evaluated regularly as it is tarnishing the game.
What are your thoughts on this?
Let me say, I am involved in football 30 years and understand everyone may have a bad day or one may feel aggrieved with some decisions but refs are out there doing the best they can, and 99% of refs are decent refs for the level they are at.
And I have never thought about this situation with another ref.
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I'm going to guess that you aren't a referee yourself.

On the boots issue he is checking the boots to ensure they aren't unsafe, e.g. sharp, or missing studs. There is no requirement for him or any player to wear a specific type of boot or footwear.

Have you raised concerns to the county fa? That's your starting point. They may be able to offer help and support to the referee through mentoring and coaching. They may not be able to affect him at all and unless he is egregiously bad, and by that I mean doesn't know law, commits offences themselves such as offinabus or discriminatory language then there's little that can be done to stop them registering and picking up games.

As with players refereeing is for most of us, a hobby. Some refs are good, some of us are not as good as our peers but we all enjoy it, as it is a hobby.
 
The league appointment secretary, is key here, he or she will have the referee marks, is the individual referee refereeing in the lowest division or vets of that league would indicate they are aware but continue to use said referee.

If not then referee marks are possibly higher from the clubs?
 
Big Mick said:
Hi all, would like to get your thoughts on this one.
There is one ref in the county and he is refing a few years but he is completely incompetent.
Doesn’t understand the game, makes truly baffling decisions and has a massive ego in terms of how he talks to players, makes decisions and dishes out unnecessary cards.
There is many instances of this, and it’s not an off day.
He even turned up to a double game on grass, wet, muddy day and reffed the game wearing runners despite himself checking players boots before a game.
It has come to the stage now, I feel this refs performance needs to be highlighted and he needs to be independently evaluated regularly as it is tarnishing the game.
What are your thoughts on this?
Let me say, I am involved in football 30 years and understand everyone may have a bad day or one may feel aggrieved with some decisions but refs are out there doing the best they can, and 99% of refs are decent refs for the level they are at.
And I have never thought about this situation with another ref.
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When you say doesn't understand the game, what does this mean?
 
Clubs mark referees after the game so that is their route for reporting poorly performing referees. Unfortunately some clubs abuse this, either by marking referees down for one decision against them that they didn't agree with, or by marking 61, the most commonly issued mark because for anything below that they have to submit a written report to justify it.

That all said, as someone who spent many years doing referee appointments I can confidently say that the marks over the course of the season give a good indicator of a referee that is struggling. If both clubs are marking them very low every single week there's a clear indicator that something is wrong, and at that point I would contact their CFA to suggest they may need some help.
 
one said:
My thoughts are that this whole thread sounds a bit sus. First post from a new member putting down a referee in a referee forum. And then a member who has not been active since September assuming this ref has "low consistent marks".

If the allegations in the OP are true then there are better channels to raise the issue.
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There was nothing wrong with my post, I just raised the fact that if there is indeed a referee performing poorly then the system, ie marks is the way it is dealt with. That was was my point, not piling in.

As to not posting since September, no need as I am not sure what you are getting at?

I don't post much but read everything posted in most sections two or three times a week which helps my learning.
 
HibbyGaz said:
There was nothing wrong with my post, I just raised the fact that if there is indeed a referee performing poorly then the system, ie marks is the way it is dealt with. That was was my point, not piling in.

As to not posting since September, no need as I am not sure what you are getting at?

I don't post much but read everything posted in most sections two or three times a week which helps my learning.
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I agree your post was a fair question, wasn’t calling out any referee or naming him/her.

I think we as a forum should be encouraging new members to post without fear of criticism or reprisal.

If nobody posts we don't have a forum.
 
HibbyGaz said:
There was nothing wrong with my post, I just raised the fact that if there is indeed a referee performing poorly then the system, ie marks is the way it is dealt with. That was was my point, not piling in.

As to not posting since September, no need as I am not sure what you are getting at?

I don't post much but read everything posted in most sections two or three times a week which helps my learning.
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For some, especially certain mods/mods friends, you need to be posting top notch posts daily or are suspect of everything.

Wouldn't take it personally.
Some like causing controversy where it actually isn't needed.
I mean, why even bother to look if someone has posted since last week, last month, or last year!
For all we know, you couldve been tied up with work or been in hospital. It is no relevance to a reply.
 
ladbroke8745 said:
For some, especially certain mods/mods friends, you need to be posting top notch posts daily or are suspect of everything.
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This is completely and utterly true.

I have to carefully construct every single post of mine on here because I know that if anything I write isn't absolutely spot on, there's at least three Level 3's (and one Aussie) all ready to gang up on me and send me skulking back to the LOTG book!! The stress is incredible. I've thought about deleting my account but then I'd be all alone. I'd still have the hedgehog that comes to my garden I suppose ... :cry:

Disclaimer: The above doesn't include @RustyRef by the way. He's ever so nice.
 
Kes said:
This is completely and utterly true.

I have to carefully construct every single post of mine on here because I know that if anything I write isn't absolutely spot on, there's at least three Level 3's (and one Aussie) all ready to gang up on me and send me skulking back to the LOTG book!! The stress is incredible. I've thought about deleting my account but then I'd be all alone. I'd still have the hedgehog that comes to my garden I suppose ... :cry:

Disclaimer: The above doesn't include @RustyRef by the way. He's ever so nice.
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The hedgehog just hibernated😁
 
Kes said:
This is completely and utterly true.

I have to carefully construct every single post of mine on here because I know that if anything I write isn't absolutely spot on, there's at least three Level 3's (and one Aussie) all ready to gang up on me and send me skulking back to the LOTG book!! The stress is incredible. I've thought about deleting my account but then I'd be all alone. I'd still have the hedgehog that comes to my garden I suppose ... :cry:

Disclaimer: The above doesn't include @RustyRef by the way. He's ever so nice.
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I hope I'm not one of those. I was ever so pleased with myself when I raised that I didn't see a law justification for an IDFK if the keeper deliberately parried the ball to wait to pick it up and everyone else commented that they agreed and it raised healthy debate rather than @JamesL turning up instantly to tell me to look under secition 18.2.3
 
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