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complete hypothetical after seeing something on the interweb.

Can you take a quick free kick from 7 yards out and score? My gut tells me it’s not what the game expects and defence should be allowed to set up a wall.

What’s the law/guidance and what would you do? I did see a prem referee not allow the quick free kick, but I’m not sure why.
 
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No law to say they can't take a quick free kick however if the referee intervened to manage the wall or enforce distance which is what I would be doing. It would be on my whistle I wouldn't be allowing a quick free kick inside the box to the attacking team.
 
Egg man said:
No law to say they can't take a quick free kick however if the referee intervened to manage the wall or enforce distance which is what I would be doing. It would be on my whistle I wouldn't be allowing a quick free kick inside the box to the attacking team.
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See, I wouldn’t be allowing a quick free kick. I’m sticking with my “it’s what the game expects”.
 
Yeah, not against the laws for a quick IDFK in the box but if you allow them to take it quickly, you may kiss goodbye to your match control.
 
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I'd view an indirect free kick inside the penalty area in exactly the same way I would a more typical direct free kick from just outside. The option of a (truly) quick FK certainly exists (and defensive teams have NO rights in these situations). However, I'd advise referees to get to the spot of the offence as quickly as possible and, once there, to take charge of the situation and make clear to everybody that the kick will be taken on the whistle. If the kick is taken from the correct spot before they manage to get there .. all good IMO
 
If the offended team realizes the opportunity quickly and the referee has not started to manage things, they are absolutely within their rights to take it quickly. There is no right in Law for the referee to stop it.

But it has to be taken from the right spot and it can't be once the referee has stepped in to manage things. I suspect that where you have seen a PL ref stop it either they weren't taking it from the right spot or the referee was already trying to manage, so it was too late to take it.

Referees should not conspire to prevent an offended team from its right to a quick kick absent a reason--the offended team has no rights other than that the referee not interfere with them.
 
Understand the logic of you 2 above, but I'm struggling to picture a situation where I'd be giving an IDFK inside the box and I'd be entirely comfortably with them taking it quickly. I just think if you don't allow them to take it quickly they'll have a grumble and then forget about it 1 minute later, but if you do, and they score, it'll be your fault (according to the offending team).
With that said... this is if you're able to actually prevent them taking it quickly. If they take it quickly before you've been able to intervene, I then wouldn't be bringing it back... so maybe we are on the same page after all...
 
RefereeX said:
Understand the logic of you 2 above, but I'm struggling to picture a situation where I'd be giving an IDFK inside the box and I'd be entirely comfortably with them taking it quickly. I just think if you don't allow them to take it quickly they'll have a grumble and then forget about it 1 minute later, but if you do, and they score, it'll be your fault (according to the offending team).
With that said... this is if you're able to actually prevent them taking it quickly. If they take it quickly before you've been able to intervene, I then wouldn't be bringing it back... so maybe we are on the same page after all...
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I suspect the OP is referring to a clip doing the rounds currently where the goalkeeper was penalised for a "back pass" and put the ball down. Quick thinking attacker played it backwards to a team-mate, who scored.
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
I suspect the OP is referring to a clip doing the rounds currently where the goalkeeper was penalised for a "back pass" and put the ball down. Quick thinking attacker played it backwards to a team-mate, who scored.
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That falls under stupidity by the keeper, he's effectively got an assist for the opposition. I'd just hold onto the ball until the referee forced me to release it, by which point there's no way he can allow a quick IDFK.
 
RustyRef said:
That falls under stupidity by the keeper, he's effectively got an assist for the opposition. I'd just hold onto the ball until the referee forced me to release it, by which point there's no way he can allow a quick IDFK.
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Totally agree that is the real world what a GK should do. At the same time, I’m troubled by the idea that the clear strategy for a GK is to do something the game says isn’t ok. But any GK (at least any GK not on a caution already) who understands restarts is going to hold onto the ball and he’ll at the referee to force a ceremonial restart.
 
I'd run out of fingers, and toes, if I count the number of times we have discussed this topic. And the view of the more learned members has been the same, explained well by @Russell Jones and @socal lurker.

socal lurker said:
Referees should not conspire to prevent an offended team from its right to a quick kick absent a reason--the offended team has no rights other than that the referee not interfere with them.
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And the reverse is also true for defenders. In general the referee should allow the 'natural progression' of a free kick within the time of what quick means and if the kick is not taken then get involved. But once the referee is involved, it's ceremonial.

I can not fathom for the life of me, why would a top flight referee would do such thing as the video in post #5. It's the definition of a gotcha moment.
 
Egg man said:
No law to say they can't take a quick free kick however if the referee intervened to manage the wall or enforce distance which is what I would be doing. It would be on my whistle I wouldn't be allowing a quick free kick inside the box to the attacking team.
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As I recall (without searching for the exact wording), there's nothing in Law regarding QFK's, except that the kick is taken when the 'referee has given the signal'. Or something along those lines. 'The signal' does not need to be the whistle
 
Big Cat said:
As I recall (without searching for the exact wording), there's nothing in Law regarding QFK's, except that the kick is taken when the 'referee has given the signal'. Or something along those lines. 'The signal' does not need to be the whistle
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Actually, in general no signal is required. The only law reference for signals for free kicks is on use of whistle. The whistle is needed to: restart play for free kicks when the appropriate distance is required. Note that also implies that the referee can prevent a free kick to be taken to restart on the whistle.

And there are several instances in law referencing QFK and even defined in the glossary. They all imply a team is allowed to take a FK quick (should the referee permit it).
 
one said:
Actually, in general no signal is required. The only law reference for signals for free kicks is on use of whistle. The whistle is needed to: restart play for free kicks when the appropriate distance is required. Note that also implies that the referee can prevent a free kick to be taken to restart on the whistle.

And there are several instances in law referencing QFK and even defined in the glossary. They all imply a team is allowed to take a FK quick (should the referee permit it).
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Always found this wording slightly weird. It could be said that the appropriate distance is required on all free kicks. I know what is intended, but I just don't like it too much.
 
RefereeX said:
Always found this wording slightly weird. It could be said that the appropriate distance is required on all free kicks. I know what is intended, but I just don't like it too much.
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I actually don't mind the wording too much. The context for me, taken with the other parts that say FK can be taken even when opponents are less than 10 yards, is that the referee determines when the appropriate distance is required.
 
one said:
I actually don't mind the wording too much. The context for me, taken with the other parts that say FK can be taken even when opponents are less than 10 yards, is that the referee determines when the appropriate distance is required.
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One interesting knock on impact from this is that, in law, having a simple retake of a free kick just because the opposing team are not back 10 yards is (I think), not supported in law. You either need to caution for delaying the restart (and then retake the FK) or judge that the lack of 10 yards was 'justified' and therefore crack on.
 
one said:
Actually, in general no signal is required. The only law reference for signals for free kicks is on use of whistle. The whistle is needed to: restart play for free kicks when the appropriate distance is required. Note that also implies that the referee can prevent a free kick to be taken to restart on the whistle.

And there are several instances in law referencing QFK and even defined in the glossary. They all imply a team is allowed to take a FK quick (should the referee permit it).
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OK, I thought I was taking a risk, going off memory... :oops:
 
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Russell Jones said:
One interesting knock on impact from this is that, in law, having a simple retake of a free kick just because the opposing team are not back 10 yards is (I think), not supported in law. You either need to caution for delaying the restart (and then retake the FK) or judge that the lack of 10 yards was 'justified' and therefore crack on.
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Absolutely and yet we see the retake (no caution) all the time on TV, often excused by managing the occasion. The caution can be fully blamed on the player but referees 'manage it'. Vast majority of QFK are shutdown by players running in front of the ball knowing there is very little chance of consequences.
 
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