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First challenge is possible to spot as a penalty from the alternative (and slow motion) camera angle .. very tough to spot live with the defender's toe millimetres from the ball

Second one is also a foul for me but would have been a tough sell with the attacker staying on his feet.

So, for me, both errors but not 'damning' in any way, shape or form
 
He knows if he blows on the second it’s a red - not much advantage there though. I think it’s a foul.
 
The second one is a horrible situation for a referee. If he goes down it’s given but if he stays up, you’re continuously waiting for him to break free. We want to encourage players to stay in their feet but having done he’s come out worse off
 
You could also argue some holding back the other way from striker to defender which may have been seen better from the referees angle.
 
Really tough to sell a dogso red with a player who is mildly inconvenienced by the holding 😆 but yeah probably just about is a foul.
Penalty a tough one to spot, but again, yes it’s a foul
 
RefereeX said:
Really tough to sell a dogso red with a player who is mildly inconvenienced by the holding 😆 but yeah probably just about is a foul.
Penalty a tough one to spot, but again, yes it’s a foul
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If you give the foul in this situation you have to go red do you think?
 
1st one I can understand. To me (looking at the angle facing the goal which is the closest to the referees view) it looks like the defender gets a touch to the ball. It’s only the angle from behind the goal that shows that the defender didn’t play the ball. Maybe the AR could help out but otherwise I think we’re missing that one at least some of the time.

2nd one, holding begins around 0.33 then at 0.36 the second defender who’s managed to track back plays the ball. It’s clear no advantage has eventuated and going back only 3 seconds for a foul is an easy sell. I’d be waiting until that second defender is able to make it and then at that point, when it’s clear the strikers not going to be able to score, I’d go back for the holding and award a RC. (Worth noting is that the reason the advantage doesn’t eventuate is because the holding continues.) Even if the referee played advantage, the defender should be cautioned. If the referee decided this was not an offence, than I’m just stumped tbh.
 
I’m far from convinced that VAR would be intervening on either of those, they’d probably go with the “referee’s call” approach.

Managers will always get frustrated with decisions, it is inevitable, but you can’t kneel down and punch the floor. That takes it from just audible to audible and visible, and really leaves the referee with very little wiggle room.
 
Hard to predict with PL, but the first one is clearly an intervention everywhere else in the world.

I think the second one is also an intervention in most places, but the PL potentially looks at the attacker also holding and decides it isn’t clear.
 
Is it possible that for the second incident , Refs shouting down the comms, “ Got them both pulling at each other there” ( or something similar) so no clear and obvious error for VAR to intervene?
 
Hilly1618 said:
Is it possible that for the second incident , Refs shouting down the comms, “ Got them both pulling at each other there” ( or something similar) so no clear and obvious error for VAR to intervene?
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Well it’s championship, so there’s no VAR.

But I imagine there’s a good chance that’s how the discussion in comms went
 
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