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Ori

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So I was watching spurs and United on the box and I couldn’t believe how much players moan to the ref and get away with it. Bruno was especially bad. What chance do we have if this is what they see on the box?

My question is at what point do you sanction and under what laws?
 
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Ori said:
So I was watching spurs and United on the box and I couldn’t believe how much players moan to the ref and get away with it. Bruno was especially bad. What chance do we have if this is what they see on the box?

My question is at what point do you sanction and under what laws?
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Incident 1 verbal waring.

Incident 2 yellow card for dissent (sin bin).

Soon stops any more moaning.
 
I’d also recommend bringing in the captain at an early opportunity and letting them know that you’re running out of patience. Then there can be no surprises when you take further action
 
Agreed on both comments, but when they watch top level football and how players get away with total verbal abuse of an official then what do they expect to happen at youth football?
 
Ori said:
So I was watching spurs and United on the box and I couldn’t believe how much players moan to the ref and get away with it. Bruno was especially bad. What chance do we have if this is what they see on the box?

My question is at what point do you sanction and under what laws?
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Well, when learning how to manage dissent and other misconduct NEVER use the PL (or other pro games) as your model. They simply accept much, much more because money is driving what they do in a way that doesn’t apply to the games almost everyone on here does.
 
Ori said:
Agreed on both comments, but when they watch top level football and how players get away with total verbal abuse of an official then what do they expect to happen at youth football?
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I absolutely abhor seeing the left back turning and giving the AR a volley of abuse. I'd want to see that controlled more.
 
Ori said:
Exactly. If the clamped down on this at the top, we would see the benefits lower down.
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You’re correct. However, quite rightly, the primary responsibility of top level officials is to appropriately deliver a massive budget entertainment spectacle … not necessarily to do what is best for grassroots officials.
 
Russell Jones said:
You’re correct. However, quite rightly, the primary responsibility of top level officials is to appropriately deliver a massive budget entertainment spectacle … not necessarily to do what is best for grassroots officials.
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I can’t agree with that. Look at rugby and how it’s officiated and how players address the official.
If this was implemented in football from the top and from the bottom, it would soon be the standard.
 
Ori said:
I can’t agree with that. Look at rugby and how it’s officiated and how players address the official.
If this was implemented in football from the top and from the bottom, it would soon be the standard.
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I’ve already agreed with you on this point. And the example being driven from the top on areas like time wasting, delaying the restart and (to some extent) dissent is already markedly more helpful than a few years back. However the fair question to ask is still whether the actions / choices of top level officials should prioritise benefitting grassroots referees or instead prioritise meeting the needs / desires of the top level clubs / leagues who pay their wages?
 
I get what you are saying, but surely it would benefit the game and hence the teams? Is rugby reduced in any way because of respect to the officials?

It’s sad that a league I’m in is struggling to get adult refs because of abuse.
 
Ori said:
I get what you are saying, but surely it would benefit the game and hence the teams? Is rugby reduced in any way because of respect to the officials?

It’s sad that a league I’m in is struggling to get adult refs because of abuse.
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Surely that's equally, a damning indictment of some of the participants in the league.

As officials, we've got tools to be able to try and deal with issues and abuse. Quiet word right the way through to Abandon should it be necessary and I think that dealing with it gets better with experience, or learning from events.

I look at my experience of dealing with players and then look at my stats - I've gone from giving 48 YC/4 RC in 31 middles last season to 87 YC/10 RC in 36 this season (pretty much 1 extra YC a game). The main things that have changed in my game:

- Nipping stuff in the bud early
- Consistently sanctioning in line with law (including binning a GK who was giving both barrels to my AR2 in a Semi Final, can imagine how popular that was)
- Be a bit more ruthless. Sometimes it needs a card rather than a final talking to and the benefit of the doubt. I'd got that feedback from a L3 in my 2nd observation of the season and it set me up for the remainder

I know it's difficult, particularly at the lower end of grassroots where participants lack of ability with their feet they try and make up with their ability to run their mouths, but as officials if we try to deal with in line with law and what the game expects.

If they still can't behave, ultimately do what you need to do with the tools you have available and report accordingly.
 
You are correct, the league participants are a problem. It seems that 1 or maybe 2 clubs are ruining it for everyone. Bullying younger referees seems to work for them, but when an older ref then they resort to just pure abuse and threats.

I have learnt the same as you, being tougher with yellow cards has helped my management.

On a lighter and nicer note, I went to the golf range with my son yesterday and a man approached me and said “referee!”
He was from a dad from the final I did last Sunday and he opened with “you booked my son!” And smiled. He told me who he was and I did book him for delaying the start of play.
I said sorry about that, but he just said to me. “You did a great job throughout the match and I just wanted to say thank you”.
So it’s not all bad!
 
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