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dan16hand

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there was a lot to talk about in this game, and as a notts fan myself, i need to question the red card on jatta.
i cant be the only one who thinks it cant have been a red right?
like yeah, he came in with quite a lot of force, but he made no contact with the players, and he got the ball.
am i right? or am i just biased?
 
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At 2:45 here. He has really jumped into the challenge, and whilst he won the ball if there is any contact whatsoever with the opponent after that kind of challenge you are always likely to be in trouble.

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I thought red card as soon as he did it I’m afraid. Issue is that he is off the ground, both feet. any proper contact is a potential leg breaker. No doubt he was pulled before, a clever shirt pull which the ref couldn’t see.

The main penalty appeal I saw was the handball, I felt that he got his hands inside as much as possible, thought it would have been a harsh penalty.
 
If you have a read through twitter, it's not as clear cut. Shouldn't have been a card at all! Ref has had a mare. 🤯
 
5 years ago i reckon it woud have been yellow.

Endangering an opponent's safety is a very large umbrella nowadays.
 
I don’t think there’s many referees who wouldn’t go Red in real time. 2 footed, off the ground, out of control. Referencing the OP, touching the ball is irrelevant
 
As a Notts fan, it's a red card and he only has himself to blame. Game should've been out of sight if we took our chances but it's easier to blame the ref, right?

"Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."
 
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Runner Ref said:
Don't think it's a stonewall red card, but can completely understand why in today's climate.

Does anyone know whether they've appealed?
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We agree on this one 🥳 . The action itself screams red all day, but he does pull his legs down before reaching the attacker.
Can absolutely understand why a red was given, but I think a caution could have been acceptable
 
RefereeX said:
We agree on this one 🥳 . The action itself screams red all day, but he does pull his legs down before reaching the attacker.
Can absolutely understand why a red was given, but I think a caution could have been acceptable
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Agree, but I think the other element that might have swung towards red is he was clearly frustrated at having been held immediately before, and it almost looks as though the lunge was a reaction to this. A bit like after a player has taken a bad touch, referees will always be hyper alert to lunges straight after this.
 
I thought it was a red the moment he did it, and when you saw his face as the referee blew, he knew it too. I've seen so many fans on Twitter saying if the referee hadn't missed the foul then it wouldn't have happened. That's like blaming the Police for punching someone in the head because they pulled out in front of you. He can't have any complaints, in my opinion.
 
BenS said:
I've seen so many fans on Twitter saying if the referee hadn't missed the foul then it wouldn't have happened.
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I think even that is untrue to be honest. The incidents are close enough together that had the referee correctly seen it as a foul, he could still have started his lunge by the time the referee looks to see where the ball goes for an advantage, determines there is no advantage and then starts his whistle blowing action.

There's a very plausible alternative outcome where the restart is still the initial FK for the red carded players team.
 
GraemeS said:
There's a very plausible alternative outcome where the restart is still the initial FK for the red carded players team.
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As much as you're correct, this would never ever happen at any professional level. Law says to punish the first offence first in terms of restart obviously but an EFL or above official would, given the severity of the second offence, always go with that restart
 
As we've previously discussed, the moment when the whistle is physically blown is (inexplicably) what defines the decisions that can be made. If the whistle is blown and the player continues with his action of launching himself into an opponent regardless, there are a limited number of "correct" decisions left to the referee. I'm sure you wouldn't be suggesting that professional official would knowingly make a wrong decision because they're scared of the optics? ;)
 
GraemeS said:
As we've previously discussed, the moment when the whistle is physically blown is (inexplicably) what defines the decisions that can be made. If the whistle is blown and the player continues with his action of launching himself into an opponent regardless, there are a limited number of "correct" decisions left to the referee. I'm sure you wouldn't be suggesting that professional official would knowingly make a wrong decision because they're scared of the optics? ;)
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Change 'scared of the optics' to 'it's a better outcome for the game' and yes, I think they probably would.
 
GraemeS said:
As we've previously discussed, the moment when the whistle is physically blown is (inexplicably) what defines the decisions that can be made. If the whistle is blown and the player continues with his action of launching himself into an opponent regardless, there are a limited number of "correct" decisions left to the referee. I'm sure you wouldn't be suggesting that professional official would knowingly make a wrong decision because they're scared of the optics? ;)
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They don't blow the whistle instantly at that level, once he sees the player starting to make the lunge there's no way on earth he would be blowing. It is very rare to see a red card and a free kick to the same team, and there's a reason for that, the referees are smart enough to avoid it.
 
RustyRef said:
They don't blow the whistle instantly at that level, once he sees the player starting to make the lunge there's no way on earth he would be blowing. It is very rare to see a red card and a free kick to the same team, and there's a reason for that, the referees are smart enough to avoid it.
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Even if that is true and a reasonable thing to expect officials to be able to decide in that fraction of a second, it still doesn't remotely invalidate the possibility of the whistle going and the player choosing to continue the action regardless.

Referees at "that level" are still bound by principals like preventative refereeing, and are still employed to protect player safety above all else. If he has a chance of blowing a whistle and stopping a player from making a dangerous decision, that's what he should be doing.
 
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