Situations That Have Never Happened To You
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Didn't happen to me but happened to a colleague. One of the larger multi-ground sites is located near to a hospital. The air ambulance often land on the pitches. On one occasion, the helicopter actually blew the ball into the net (don't ask me why they didn't stop when they saw a flying tin can with a propellor on its roof landing on the pitch next to them)
Funnily enough, I saw something fairly similar in a school game of mine about 5 years ago. Helicopter landed on the field, so game was obviously halted (later abandoned as it was there pretty much all day). Just a bizarre thing to see at a football game!
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I used to referee regularly in Northamptonshire at an Air Force base, home to Vertical Take Off and Landing aircraft.
Before every game the officials were briefed as to procedure - stop play immediately, someone grab the ball, stand still
Never done a tournament - bit naff but it seems like a right of passage to do a summer 6-a-side or something as a grassroots referee!
I am doing my first at the end of this month after avoiding it for years!
I am doing my first at the end of this month after avoiding it for years!
Many years ago I had it twice in one game where a goal kick got blown back towards the keeper's own goal - first one didn't leave the area (AR was switched on and bang in line with the edge of the box to flag); second one did leave the area, was going in, and keeper dives to tip it over. None of the players had twigged that he'd played it twice, and were getting ready for the corner, so I left it alone 
If he'd known the laws he'd have known it was safer to just let it go in rather than attempt to save it.None of the players had twigged that he'd played it twice, and were getting ready for the corner, so I left it alone
Question... if the keeper had got a touch and then it had gone in, would you have penalised the touch and gone IDFK or played advantage and allowed the goal?
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Question about your question
Do you see any reason why advantage shouldn't be played. The ultimate application of advantage is when a goal is scored immediately after it.
In answer to the question about my question (as so far no on else has answered the question).Question about your question
The chin scratching part of this is advantage to who. I would normally consider the advantage to be for the team in possession, have control of the play. In this scenario that would be the goalkeeper. They kick the ball away from goal, there is no interaction from the opposition, so where is the advantage to them in not penalising the touch and allowing the goal?
That said... the moment the ball has been touched, an offence has been committed, so the opposition is entitled to a IDFK and to take possession... if possession is their then advantage would be...?
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I suggest reading the definition of advantage in the laws of the game and how it should be applied may help here. Possession is not a consideratiin. The keyword is "benefit". The "to who" is also clear, the non-offending team.In answer to the question about my question (as so far no on else has answered the question).
The chin scratching part of this is advantage to who. I would normally consider the advantage to be for the team in possession, have control of the play. In this scenario that would be the goalkeeper. They kick the ball away from goal, there is no interaction from the opposition, so where is the advantage to them in not penalising the touch and allowing the goal?
That said... the moment the ball has been touched, an offence has been committed, so the opposition is entitled to a IDFK and to take possession... if possession is their then advantage would be...?
The referee applies advantage when an offence occurs and the there is a benefit to the non-offending team.In answer to the question about my question (as so far no on else has answered the question).
The chin scratching part of this is advantage to who. I would normally consider the advantage to be for the team in possession, have control of the play. In this scenario that would be the goalkeeper. They kick the ball away from goal, there is no interaction from the opposition, so where is the advantage to them in not penalising the touch and allowing the goal?
That said... the moment the ball has been touched, an offence has been committed, so the opposition is entitled to a IDFK and to take possession... if possession is their then advantage would be...?
An offence occurs GK plays the ball a second time.
The non offending team benefit due to a goal being scored.
That is it.
Got to get my fee for the day that's why.
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Approaching 1000 matches, inc a lot of lines… from all of the above, never had:
Dual SFP
KFTPM reduce to equate
Goal direct from DB
Corner from GK
Throw in to own goal
Goal from foreign object
Replace injured ref
(Goal from helicopter wind cannot be real!)
Dual SFP
KFTPM reduce to equate
Goal direct from DB
Corner from GK
Throw in to own goal
Goal from foreign object
Replace injured ref
(Goal from helicopter wind cannot be real!)
Can't believe you've not had a DOGSO, that's crazy!
With regards to the second one, I've had it a couple of times but one in particular sticks in my mind...
Back when sin bin + yellow card for other offence did not equal red card, I had a striker and defender kick the ball at virtually the same time which went out behind the goal line. I gave a GK. Striker went apoplectic. I told him to wind his neck in or he's be sin binned and he threw his arms up in the air and said 'just f*cking sin bin me then' and started walking off the FOP. So I did exactly that, I said 'ok then, I will' and showed him the caution (admittedly to his back, but calling him back to see it would have inflamed things further and risked OFFINABUS as he'd totally lost his head) and went and sat in the stand. There was only 5 minutes to go all in, so I didn't see the need to challenge this, he wouldn't be coming back on regardless, and like I say, had I called him back to follow the 'proper caution procedure' it would have been 'all about me' etc.
2 minutes later my senior AR buzzed me and called me over... 'did you sin bin the 9?' .... 'yes'... 'he's just ran back on'....
So I called him over and showed him another caution for re-entering the FOP without permission.
'You never told me I was sin binned'.
'you didn't wait around long enough to see the card, but I did tell you'.
'But I asked the (other) AR and he said he didn't know'
'Well then you should have waited for an appropriate time to check with me, or gone through the dugout / manager / senior AR. It is what it is, you've been sin binned for dissent and you've now been cautioned for re-entering without permission, now leave the FOP.
'but you didn't tell me'
'leave the FOP'
'no, not until you accept that this is your fault for not telling me'
'If you do not leave the FOP now, I'll send you off'.
'But you didn't tell me'
'*second (or third) caution - off you pop*
Would like to think I've learnt some tools since then to deal with that scenario better, but what an absolute helmet.
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Scenarios like this prove exactly why an alternative colour card should be used for sin bins. Then there's no confusion. Even if the player doesn't see the card (which you should of course make sure they do) then at least the AR who was apparently not aware, would be