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Hearts v Dundee Utd

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Based on the other angle, seems entirely justifiable to me especially given the ref's ideal view - there's speed, a lack of control and high contact point. Spotting SFP is one of my areas for development (having missed two this year that were subsequently clear cut when reviewing VEO) so I'd have probably gone yellow though...! 😭

In all seriousness for more senior refs, does the fact the fouled player leaps as contact is made reduce the danger and therefore drop it to YC from RC, or should that not be a consideration given all the other elements are present?
 
In the absence of extenuating circumstances (in a game that I haven't watched), It does not meet my threshold for SFP by an appreciable margin
 
The Gump said:
Based on the other angle, seems entirely justifiable to me especially given the ref's ideal view - there's speed, a lack of control and high contact point. Spotting SFP is one of my areas for development (having missed two this year that were subsequently clear cut when reviewing VEO) so I'd have probably gone yellow though...! 😭

In all seriousness for more senior refs, does the fact the fouled player leaps as contact is made reduce the danger and therefore drop it to YC from RC, or should that not be a consideration given all the other elements are present?
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In general, the fact that the fouled player manages to take successful evasive action in order to avoid the danger to their safety is irrelevant. RC is still the answer.

Lunges which might have theoretically endangered player safety but in reality miss their target by a country mile are the ones where a YC becomes more worthy of consideration.
 
Looks the classic case of the SPL having a much lower threshold for SFP but then when you do that then you can have instances like this when it feels a red is so harsh.
 
Not my favourite angle, makes the red too easy for me. I also think that’s probably very difficult in real time and yellow or red are justifiable.
 
Red all day for me.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

He endangered the safety of the opponent.
 
LothianRef said:
I wasn’t entirely convinced of a red watching it live with the replays they showed during the game, but when they showed the angle from side on at half time (the one in the Twitter comment) that was enough for me to be satisfied.
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That was my impression too.
Initial viewings make you think he's wrong in red card but that other angle proves to be right.
 
Clear red card for me. I was pretty sure from the first video, from the second one I have absolutely no doubt. At speed, very little control, and makes contact with studs very high up the leg with a straight leg. And unluckily for the offender the referee has the angle from the second video, sees the studs on shin contact and really couldn't be any faster to pull out his red card. Although with VAR in use he'd probably have gone anyway, just a couple of minutes later.
 
Our Scottish correspondents can either validate or correct this, but I believe Michael Stewart is a serial referee basher on commentary.
 
Michael Stewart has never been my favourite pundit but his referee bashing seems to have got a lot worse this season, to the extent it’s almost concerning how worked up he seems to get about it. I can accept that watching this incident in the ground live before seeing any replays he might not think it’s a red card initially but the way to go about that is just to give a kind of “I’m not sure about that” comment before rewatching it. Instead he decides to lambast the decision and tells the referee to “get a grip” and refused to back down on his opinion later on either.
For what it’s worth every other pundit I’ve seen up here thinks the red card is correct and even the Hearts manager said he could understand why it was given.
 
Now, I’ve only seen the second angle since the other is geoblocked but for me this is SFP. The point of contact is high on the shin, the mode of contact is the studs, the force used is high and the player makes full contact (i.e. it isn’t glancing contact).
 
Let's be honest now, do you expect a PL official to sanction this as SFP? I have my doubts and I have even less doubts VAR in the PL would of intervened.

This looks like one of those where referees know why this is a red but former players and fans think a red is harsh.
 
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