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Homer Ref

Homer Ref

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I did a youth game yesterday where the goalkeeper carried the ball out the PA when doing a kick out - I was right in line making my way up the pitch so knew it was. I gave a DFK. Talk from the players was that it was an IDFK but I told them it was Direct. The opposition scored and here is where I started to think it was a IDFK after all. There was a TV game not long ago where the Ref gave a IDFK for the goalkeeper handling outside the area and that was in the back of my mind.

I apologised to the coach at half-time and full time as well as the players that I may have made a mistake in the type of FK I gave. Went home and checked the LOTG and it is indeed a DFK. So I got it correct, but I let doubt creep in. I think we forget that for 12 odd weeks we're giving so much information that we do absorb it and yet doubts will creep in. Another part of learning not just about being confident in your decisions, but trusting your instincts.
 
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It is indeed a DFK if the goalkeeper handles outside of the area.

In all my years of refereeing, I don't think I have ever actually had to penalise a goalkeeper for doing this. You'll get a fair few shouts to say the goalkeeper has taken the ball out fo their area during a drop kick/fly kick, but more often than not, they haven't. Normally they will release the ball from their hands inside the area or on the line and they are outside of the PA by the time they actually kick it. This wouldn't be an offence.

But in your scenario, it would be a YHTBT moment

Pepe Reina actually got a DFK given against him that led to a goal. A decision that ended up being incorrect

 
As you say, it's direct - it's a handball offence.

Unsure what the offence could be for to make it an IDFK if it was purely for use of the hands outside the area in the televised game you describe?
 
I think a useful way to remember this is simple: outside the PA, the GK is the same as any other pkayer.

But it seems to be a recurring myth that carrying the ball outside is an IFK. It isn’t now and never has been.

I had it twice in one game recently. GK just walking well past the line without paying attention—once by each team.
 
I had multiple games where the head ref would call IDFK for that kind of offense-GK handling outside PA is quite common in my games. Guess they were all wrong. I think the actions referees make have a impact on other referees when they referee other games bc those referees fix their mind to adjust to the others actions.
 
Funnily enough, for a few years I thought this was pretty much a mandatory caution but never really knew why. As it happens, it's actually written in law that we can't sanction for it at all (unless it's for persistence or similar)
 
RefereeX said:
Funnily enough, for a few years I thought this was pretty much a mandatory caution but never really knew why. As it happens, it's actually written in law that we can't sanction for it at all (unless it's for persistence or similar)
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Oh mate, I once had a Lino INSISTENT it was red. Story below for the bored…

Had this in an early-round Women’s FA Cup tie about ten years ago, with a real old school AR on one side. Was at the 1930 World Cup final, white top-socks and laces, stopwatch on a lanyard round his neck tucked in a top pocket, moustache that Poirot would be jealous of… yknow the type.

About half hour in, keeper fly-kicks it upfield and he’s ON THE FLAG like he’s awaiting rescue from a desert island.

He 100% wanted a red card for it, which as soon as the opposition got wind of were on me about.

DFK just got hammered into the wall and nothing came from it.

Never seen someone so wrong yet be so confident about it… including in the dressing room after. Wouldn’t have it, even when shown a well-thumbed copy of LOTG.

He was my lift to the game and all. I got the train home instead 😂

Still, he’s probably dead now.
 
FirsFox40 said:
Oh mate, I once had a Lino INSISTENT it was red. Story below for the bored…

Had this in an early-round Women’s FA Cup tie about ten years ago, with a real old school AR on one side. Was at the 1930 World Cup final, white top-socks and laces, stopwatch on a lanyard round his neck tucked in a top pocket, moustache that Poirot would be jealous of… yknow the type.

About half hour in, keeper fly-kicks it upfield and he’s ON THE FLAG like he’s awaiting rescue from a desert island.

He 100% wanted a red card for it, which as soon as the opposition got wind of were on me about.

DFK just got hammered into the wall and nothing came from it.

Never seen someone so wrong yet be so confident about it… including in the dressing room after. Wouldn’t have it, even when shown a well-thumbed copy of LOTG.

He was my lift to the game and all. I got the train home instead 😂

Still, he’s probably dead now.
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My story was:

U18s game, reds vs blacks, 11-0 to reds. Black keeper has already been cautioned for wiping a player out conceding a penalty (can't remember if this was before double jeopardy and it was a SPA yellow or if after double jeopardy rule and it was a DOGSO yellow).

89th minute, black goalkeeper takes a fly kick, ball takes 3 or 4 headers in midfield before someone alerts me to the fact my AR (who is notorious for being a pain in the arse and over officious) is flagging a plane down.

Confused, and fearing he's spotted violent conduct or another serious offence, I stopped play and ran to him.

'Goalkeeper carried the ball a good half a yard outside the area on that kick'.

Thinking this was a mandatory caution as I did at the time, I awarded the free kick and called over the keeper...

'I don't know why my AR over there felt the need to get involved when literally nobody in the ground cares, however I should be sending you off for a second caution now that he has got involved. I'm not gonna do that, but do me a favour and pretend this is a final warning and don't tell him that I said he's a bit of a tw*t'.
 
RefereeX said:
My story was:

U18s game, reds vs blacks, 11-0 to reds. Black keeper has already been cautioned for wiping a player out conceding a penalty (can't remember if this was before double jeopardy and it was a SPA yellow or if after double jeopardy rule and it was a DOGSO yellow).

89th minute, black goalkeeper takes a fly kick, ball takes 3 or 4 headers in midfield before someone alerts me to the fact my AR (who is notorious for being a pain in the arse and over officious) is flagging a plane down.

Confused, and fearing he's spotted violent conduct or another serious offence, I stopped play and ran to him.

'Goalkeeper carried the ball a good half a yard outside the area on that kick'.

Thinking this was a mandatory caution as I did at the time, I awarded the free kick and called over the keeper...

'I don't know why my AR over there felt the need to get involved when literally nobody in the ground cares, however I should be sending you off for a second caution now that he has got involved. I'm not gonna do that, but do me a favour and pretend this is a final warning and don't tell him that I said he's a bit of a tw*t'.
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A good half a yard 😂😂😂 a whole 30cm ruler and a half!!! My days!!

Also - I hope you wasn't wearing a bib 🫣
 
JamesL said:
A good half a yard 😂😂😂 a whole 30cm ruler and a half!!! My days!!

Also - I hope you wasn't wearing a bib 🫣
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😆 I was a little confused about your second line, but then I twigged. The team weren't actually wearing black, their name is 'blacks' for some reason. It's 2 divisions of the same club - reds and blacks.
 
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