Sheffield Wed v Preston
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Spot on, play has to be stopped and restarted with a dropped ball (Law 5.3). My only comment is the whistle for the restart is not necessary.
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Not necessary does not mean prohibited. A R can always choose to use the whistle.
I'm not sure... There is massive emphasis on NOT needed.
Okay it doesn't say you can't but it very clearly says it's not needed. It absolutely is not needed here.
Have to admit I was semi watching this live and until now had not aby real idea what had happened. Assumed, as the commentator said, accidental whistle although I'd cottoned on to something not being right when the AR abandoned his post and just stood still whilst evidently communicating something
@JamesL 's point is that 'in all other cases' does not apply because the ball was in the penalty area when play was stopped.
Interesting point - let's imagine the ball enters the goal before the referee realises there was outside interference in the build up and blows their whistle. Is the referee obliged to award the goal if there was no offence by the attacking team? I think the laws sometimes assume that the referee is stopping play immediately when required to do so.
Correct, albeit I was wrong on where the restart should have been it ball not in PA.
It will come as no shock to you, but I have emailed IFAB on this very issue following a game between Nottingham Forest and Liverpool I believe, a situation that caused intense debate.
I dont necessarily agree with this per session but yes my point is the ball was in PA when. Play was stopped so with the above in mind ball should have been dropped to the Preston GK... Which I think actually would have been the fairer outcome, if you ignore law it course.
I dont think the outside interference impacted Wednesday all that much and the ball ended up safely with the Preston GK
Also outside interference has to interfere so hard pressed for it to be missed and laws says that goal stands unless interference prevented a defending player from playing the ball or words to similar effect.
"– stop play (and restart with a dropped ball) only if it interferes with play
– unless the ball is going into the goal and the interference does not
prevent a defending player playing the ball; the goal is awarded if the
ball enters the goal (even if contact was made with the ball) unless the
interference was by the attacking team"
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I was also watching live (90 minutes of my life I won't get back) and had absolutely no idea what had happened.
Guess the argument would be that Madley should have stopped play at the time of the outside interference, in which case the dropped ball would be to Wednesday in the midfield area. The AR was clearly not happy as he stopped, and for whatever reason Madley decided to play on.
I don't remember the exact context, but remember this answer and remember thinking it is actually the much less tidy solution.
And this is a good example why. It's obviously much tidier if the laws allowed for play to have "stopped" whenever the referee decided it should be stopped - which in this case, would logically be when the ball hits the bottle.
As it is, you have the delay in communicating/understanding what has happened, followed by a very consequential decision regarding if the ball has entered the box or not by the point the referee is able to blow (or the 3rd "incorrect" option of going back to the spot of the incident). In theory, this exact timing question of how quickly the ref can blow determines who gets the ball - which is a dumb law.
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They forgot to update the below when they changed the drop ball law?
Penalty kick
"the ball rebounds into the field of play from the goalkeeper, the crossbar or
the goalposts and is then touched by an outside agent:
• the referee stops play
• play is restarted with a dropped ball at the position where it touched the
outside agent"
Penalty kick
"the ball rebounds into the field of play from the goalkeeper, the crossbar or
the goalposts and is then touched by an outside agent:
• the referee stops play
• play is restarted with a dropped ball at the position where it touched the
outside agent"
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My only point was that it is not incorrect in Law; whether it was a good idea in the context of the game, I have no clue due to the annoying geo block.
Doesn't really matter what it was, the ball changed direction so there could always be an argument that affected a defender's position and ability to impact the play. Plus the AR completely stopped, at that point Madley really needs to stop play, had there been an offside decision in that attacking phase he'd have been in all kinds of trouble as the AR was nowhere near the offside line. I wonder if they were having problems with comms, as the AR is clearly telling him to stop play.
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The Laws don’t currently permit that—except in the scenario where the ball continues on into the goal (and would have gone in the goal without the contact with the outside object).