WHU v MUN
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I'm guessing they'll cover this one tonight
Probably not now with David Coote's current situation which would be unfortunate.
If it's not covered anymore, hopefully Thomas Brammel one in the Wolves Southampton game gets covered as apparently he was at the monitor for quite a while looking at the same replay.
Well the incident was included on the mic'd up programme and David Coote came across as unconvinced but went along with the VAR in the end. Interesting Howard Webb has said he reminded the officials that if getting called over you can stick with your original decision if you feel the VAR is wrong which can happen because they are human. I mean it would be nice too see more incidents of referees sticking with their original decision but it should only be a rare occurrence but not the rate where I think only one referee stuck with their original decision the whole of last season.
It also been noted down as a VAR error which I think is incredibly harsh, for me De Ligt clearly trips Ings, it certainly not a knee on knee contact as the referee thinks it is and I can't see how it's not a foul in all honesty. I also can't get me head around Howard Webb saying VAR shouldn't get involved if the referee did give the penalty yet he thinks it's an error to intervene for the referee to potentially award a penalty.
It also been noted down as a VAR error which I think is incredibly harsh, for me De Ligt clearly trips Ings, it certainly not a knee on knee contact as the referee thinks it is and I can't see how it's not a foul in all honesty. I also can't get me head around Howard Webb saying VAR shouldn't get involved if the referee did give the penalty yet he thinks it's an error to intervene for the referee to potentially award a penalty.
Because that is what the VAR protocol says, it is there to correct clear and obvious errors only, not to correct every major decision in a game. A lot of people, myself included, don't really think this was an error at all let alone clear and obvious. For me it was more a cause of two players just having a natural collision.
In terms of why referees don't want to go against a VAR recommendation, I think there are a number of reasons. The obvious one here is Coote was being told by one of the top referees in the World that he had got it wrong, that is going to test the confidence and resolve of any referee. Another issue is VAR and AVAR have watched it multiple times on huge TV screens, the referee gets to watch selected clips on a tiny screen with up to 70,000 people staring and shouting at him. That was my big concern with this particular one, some angles made it look far less of a foul, yet Oliver kept saying this is the best angle, he should have been shown all angles and make his own mind up what was the most conclusive one. Compare this to Jared Gillett advising Rob Jones on the Saliba sending off, he was much more thorough and gave Jones all of the information he needed to make his own decision. It really was chalk and cheese, and validates the theory that a top referee won't necessarily be good at VAR.
But as you say a possible penalty is a major decision and it needs to be right especially as we got VAR. We kept being told a referee will describe what he saw and the VAR can make a judgment on that but all David Coote said was "no no no", hardly helpful for the VAR.
I'm fairly convinced Coote did not see the initial contact and Oliver spotted it via VAR and Webb says the VAR focused on that too much, well of course he would because there was contact and certainly enough to trip Ings. The fact Webb says if a referee gives the penalty, the decision should stand just contradicts when he says he thinks it's a VAR error.
I'm fairly convinced Coote did not see the initial contact and Oliver spotted it via VAR and Webb says the VAR focused on that too much, well of course he would because there was contact and certainly enough to trip Ings. The fact Webb says if a referee gives the penalty, the decision should stand just contradicts when he says he thinks it's a VAR error.
I'd probably agree with you if everyone on here and in the general football world thought it was a penalty. But they clearly didn't, and VAR getting involved in what is clearly based on this response a very subjective decision just isn't what should be happening.
