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Worst abuse and threats I have ever received.

On your basis, any time the goalkeeper handled the ball they would need to be cautioned for unsporting behaviour. To add to that, any time an outfield player who handled the ball would need cautioning as well. This simply isn’t the case.

If you were being observed and cautioned for this, you would need to justify as to why you have done it. I personally wouldn’t be backing an official if they gave an excuse of it was disrespectful to game.

Whether it was stopping a promising attack is hard to judge on a forum. This is a yhtbt judgement, which of course you were. But if all the goalkeeper did was prevent a corner by giving them a free kick, I’m not too sure a promising attack has been stopped.

If the goalkeeper hasn’t handled it and you feel attacker would have kept it in play, you could then look towards stopping a promising attack.
 
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On your basis, any time the goalkeeper handled the ball they would need to be cautioned for unsporting behaviour. To add to that, any time an outfield player who handled the ball would need cautioning as well. This simply isn’t the case.

If you were being observed and cautioned for this, you would need to justify as to why you have done it. I personally wouldn’t be backing an official if they gave an excuse of it was disrespectful to game.

Whether it was stopping a promising attack is hard to judge on a forum. This is a yhtbt judgement, which of course you were. But if all the goalkeeper did was prevent a corner by giving them a free kick, I’m not too sure a promising attack has been stopped.

If the goalkeeper hasn’t handled it and you feel attacker would have kept it in play, you could then look towards stopping a promising attack.
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The attacker would have had an option of either letting it for a corner or playing it for a promising attack. What the attacker would have done is anyone’s guess as The goalkeeper action stopped the attacker having that option.
It’s hard to describe it exactly as it happened, but I am very comfortable with my decision.

Outfield player handling the ball I don’t usually caution. SPA obviously would, but if a player deliberately stretches an arm out to handle the ball, I may also consider a caution.
 
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Ori said:
The attacker would have had an option of either letting it for a corner or playing it for a promising attack. What the attacker would have done is anyone’s guess as The goalkeeper action stopped the attacker having that option.
It’s hard to describe it exactly as it happened, but I am very comfortable with my decision.

Outfield player handling the ball I don’t usually caution. SPA obviously would, but if a player deliberately stretches an arm out to handle the ball, I may also consider a caution.
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Would you have cautioned an outfield player for the handball? Bear in mind you can only caution for stopping a promising attack or DOGSO, and not for simply handling it. If yes, you are okay to caution the goalkeeper.

If a player deliberately stretches out an arm and doesn’t stop a promising attack or a DOGSO, you cannot caution. Handling is not a caution in isolation.

Many people fall into the trap of any time a goalkeeper handles outside their area it must be a yellow or red, but this is not true or supportable in law.
 
Runner Ref said:
Would you have cautioned an outfield player for the handball? Bear in mind you can only caution for stopping a promising attack or DOGSO, and not for simply handling it. If yes, you are okay to caution the goalkeeper.

If a player deliberately stretches out an arm and doesn’t stop a promising attack or a DOGSO, you cannot caution. Handling is not a caution in isolation.

Many people fall into the trap of any time a goalkeeper handles outside their area it must be a yellow or red, but this is not true or supportable in law.
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100% I would if it was a defender rather than keeper.
As I said. Attacker would have the option of a promising attack or to let it run for a corner. I can’t make that choice for him, but if it was me I would try and score. Who knows.
 
Runner Ref said:
Would you have cautioned an outfield player for the handball? Bear in mind you can only caution for stopping a promising attack or DOGSO, and not for simply handling it. If yes, you are okay to caution the goalkeeper.

If a player deliberately stretches out an arm and doesn’t stop a promising attack or a DOGSO, you cannot caution. Handling is not a caution in isolation.

Many people fall into the trap of any time a goalkeeper handles outside their area it must be a yellow or red, but this is not true or supportable in law.
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Further question. Why is handball an c1 offence option in whole game? If a handball isn’t a card offence and only if it’s a SPA, why have it?
Not arguing about the laws, but just curious.
 
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Further question. Why is handball an c1 offence option in whole game? If a handball isn’t a card offence and only if it’s a SPA, why have it?
Not arguing about the laws, but just curious.
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I haven’t used Wholegame in years, but from what I remember, C1 is unsporting behaviour. Stopping a promising attack is classed as unsporting behaviour, so handball under this is basically handball for breaking up a promising attack.

I think (but don’t quote me) these codes are unique to England.
 
Runner Ref said:
I haven’t used Wholegame in years, but from what I remember, C1 is unsporting behaviour. Stopping a promising attack is classed as unsporting behaviour, so handball under this is basically handball for breaking up a promising attack.

I think (but don’t quote me) these codes are unique to England.
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Yeah. In whole game you put down c1 and then specify the codes as SPA, FT, HB etc.

I mean yellow card is given to an attacker who deliberately scores with his arm.

Anyway. Thanks for distracting me. I’m a lot calmer now.
 
Ori said:
Yeah. In whole game you put down c1 and then specify the codes as SPA, FT, HB etc.

I mean yellow card is given to an attacker who deliberately scores with his arm.

Anyway. Thanks for distracting me. I’m a lot calmer now.
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There you go then, answered your own question ;)

When these things happen, it can take a little while to get them out of the system. Mainly out of shock, but also down to the idea that it’s hard to get your head around people acting this way over an amateur football match. But as said, report it as you have done and then try and park it and move on. It’s easier said than done, but it’s possible.
 
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There you go then, answered your own question ;)

When these things happen, it can take a little while to get them out of the system. Mainly out of shock, but also down to the idea that it’s hard to get your head around people acting this way over an amateur football match. But as said, report it as you have done and then try and park it and move on. It’s easier said than done, but it’s possible.
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Yeah. We shouldn’t face this kind of abuse. We do our best.
 
what other posters are attempting to do is to help you in the event of a hearing. You need to be correct in law otherwise you’ll be discredited. It doesn’t change the misconduct though. You may benefit from reading the laws and using that as your bible rather than the list of offences on whole game. Again, this is aimed to be constructive criticism which will help you.

Sorry to hear you’ve experienced this, it is the extreme and not the norm in my experience. It’ll do one of 2 things. You’ll struggle to move on or you’ll learn from it and become stronger. Either scenario is fine.

This is a great place to bring these sorts of experiences, hope you’re ok
 
In England, the FA collates the “USB” cautions under those various sub-codes (pushing, tripping, reckless, etc) for reasons that are… err… reasons.

Makes no difference to Law and application thereof.

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Would it be helpful to you if a matchday coach came along one week? Mate on the sidelines etc
 
So sorry to read this, @Ori, and I hope that you are OK.

Forgive me, I don’t really know you from the forum, and this may be known by others, but how old are you?

Don’t need to know exact age, just whether or not you are over 18. Not to diminish what you have had to endure - disgraceful behaviour from player and parent - but if you are under 18 it does add another dimension: the safeguarding of you.

Once again, sorry to hear of this incident.

Best wishes
 
Guys,

Thank you everyone. All points are taken as they are meant to be given. As advice. It is greatly appreciated.

Talking on here helps me process and it’s a great forum.

One asked how old I am….im 48 so not a spring chicken. I do this as I enjoy it, it helps youth football and as way of keeping fit. I’ve never been healthier.

I will put this behind me. Learn how to handle things better.

Example of how good this forum is, is handling CARS. I’ve changed my methods as someone recommended and have had good results from doing that.
 
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Out of interest, when the ball hit you, did you abandon the game or carry on?
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I didn’t. It did cross my mind. I think I was in my right to abandon the game though. Would it have made things worse? Should I abandon the game at that point?
 
If I had been assaulted in this manner, and that’s what this is, assault, absolutely I would’ve abandoned the game.
 
Ori said:
I didn’t. It did cross my mind. I think I was in my right to abandon the game though. Would it have made things worse? Should I abandon the game at that point?
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Entirely your call, and based on several factors: mainly are you ok, is it safe etc.

With 7 minutes to go - about this time last season - a player punched me twice after getting a DOGSO red. His team were 2-0 down at the time, I felt physically fine and mentally sound, and - honestly - I think stubbornness came into it that “I’m not letting him ruin the day” - and we played the final ten after I’d made sure he had been ejected. Right decision? Dunno.
 
Ori said:
I didn’t. It did cross my mind. I think I was in my right to abandon the game though. Would it have made things worse? Should I abandon the game at that point?
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Once you’re hit by the ball and you’re certain someone has done this on purpose, you’re 100% within your rights to abandon, as it’s assault.

Would it have made things worse? Who knows. May have, may not have.

Different people will have different opinions on this. I think my decision would come down to how bad the ‘assault’ was, and the reaction of everyone else. Had they been backing the player rather than yourself, 100% walk away as you have 0 credibility. But if they back you, it gives you a bit of leverage to stay.

Only issue is by not abandoning, you maybe give them leverage in their punishment. But I’m no expert in this bit
 
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I wrote to the home club who asked me to as the security saw what happened in car park and wanted it recorded with the club. As it’s private property they are looking to ban the dad from any of their pitches and they are legally entitled to do so.

I haven’t written to the away team club, but they will get all that from the FA.
The manager of the offending dad was so apologetic and I think he knows his club is in trouble.

The one thing I’m really proud of myself is that I didn’t react to any of it. I didn’t swear back. I didn't insult. It’s very easy to lose one’s cool and fire back some choice words.

The one question I have to myself is was I right to book the keeper in the first place?
It wasn’t DOGSO, but he did stop a corner by deliberately handling the ball outside the box. From listening to his argument he believed that so long as his legs are inside the box he can handle the ball outside the box.
Regardless on if I got the booking correct or not, his reaction is unacceptable obviously.
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I don't think it will have an effect on this, but I would advise against any contact with either club when there has been a serious incident that is going to result in an extraordinary incident and likely disciplinary charges. Instead refer the home club to the CFA and say that your report has gone to them, should that email become public in any way it could look as though you have sided with one club if it comes to a hearing.

That might sound OTT, but over the years many disciplinary charges have been found not proven because of the actions of the referee after the game. Sometimes emails, but more likely social media posts about what happened, if the charged teams or players get hold of these they will present at the hearing and use it to say that the referee was against them.
 
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