FirsFox40
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Very much a regional thing I’ve found across the country, whether CARs even do offsides. Was quite the eye-opener when I used to spend term-time some 150 miles away.
Dissent/comments towards CARs
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I was thinking this but didn't want to ask
Sounds completely the wrong way round.
If someone is calling a NAR a cheat then it's cheerio!
It they are calling a CAR a cheat after several questionable flags, I think I am managing it
You cannot have participants calling CARs cheats, it isn't going to end well. If it isn't exceptionally loud I might try to manage it, such as say that again and you are walking, but if it is public, plus with the f word added as in the OP, I really cannot see any other option than a red card.
On the CAR debate, yes they are not perfect, but I don't think many intentionally cheat. It is far more likely they are miles off the offside line, or just don't know the offside law, and that isn't cheating. I always say to them when handing over the flag that I will overrule if I have a different opinion, and to try not to be offended if that happens. I've had some fantastic CARs, usually where someone does it for the whole game rather than subs changing every 15 minutes.
On the CAR debate, yes they are not perfect, but I don't think many intentionally cheat. It is far more likely they are miles off the offside line, or just don't know the offside law, and that isn't cheating. I always say to them when handing over the flag that I will overrule if I have a different opinion, and to try not to be offended if that happens. I've had some fantastic CARs, usually where someone does it for the whole game rather than subs changing every 15 minutes.
I’ve just swapped counties with one with CARs doing offsides, and while it definitely took the blame off my back, it caused me so many problems in abuse towards CARs, that I was just unprepared to deal with.
Obviously going to have to get used to it, but can’t see myself liking it - prefer the comfort of getting it wrong myself.
Can talk to a player, hold my hands up, admit a mistake and it’ll be 100x easier to manage than if my CAR did that. Think it brings the power into our hands about how we deal with dissent, not a CAR whose unhappy because someone called him sh*t
Pretty difficult whichever way. Offside used to be the shortest but most difficult law at grassroots and now it’s becoming the most unwieldy law but still the most difficult at grassroots.
For me, in line with what @DJIC said, I'd actually view comments made towards a CAR in a harsher light than those made to myself or a NAR. The NAR and me are being paid to be there, 99% of CARs aren't and them getting sh*t for doing it isn't going to help anything.
A couple of management tips I picked up was that I always mentioned it to the captains before KO that 'one thing I WILL NOT stand for is abuse of CARs, so you guys know who your problem players are, have a word with them, because if I have to have that word, it's not going to end well.'
Also, I used to cling on to anything that a CAR did where they had the opportunity to flag in favour of their team but didn't and use it to my benefit. The next time a player moans and asks me to 'watch him' I would say 'I always do, but I don't think for a second he's cheating, if he was he'd have flagged your striker offside on the run through 10 minutes ago '. Usually disarms them slightly.
A couple of management tips I picked up was that I always mentioned it to the captains before KO that 'one thing I WILL NOT stand for is abuse of CARs, so you guys know who your problem players are, have a word with them, because if I have to have that word, it's not going to end well.'
Also, I used to cling on to anything that a CAR did where they had the opportunity to flag in favour of their team but didn't and use it to my benefit. The next time a player moans and asks me to 'watch him' I would say 'I always do, but I don't think for a second he's cheating, if he was he'd have flagged your striker offside on the run through 10 minutes ago '. Usually disarms them slightly.
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Don’t give CAR offsides, they’re not qualified and the amount of CAR who are not cheats are less than those who do cheat.
Yes it’s extremely difficult to do it yourself, but it’s also making your game difficult to manage by giving offside offence decisions to biased personnel.
Yes it’s extremely difficult to do it yourself, but it’s also making your game difficult to manage by giving offside offence decisions to biased personnel.
That isn't something @BoBeB can decide unfortunately.
That is decided by the county FA.
I've worked on both sides of the spectrum and there are pros and cons to both. I would however dispute your last sentence, in my experience, there are far more honest CARs than there are dishonest.
So are you saying that when you only ask your CARs to advise on ball in & out of play, they never ever raise their flag when they consider they have seen an offside?
I would concur with that. Competence, fitness, keeping up with play etc may all be in question but rarely integrity.
Runner Ref
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This is the case in many regions, mine included. They can't actually give offside here, but I've never ever even came close to them attempting to raise the flag. We're lucky if we get ins and outs for throw ins
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There are some areas David where CARs simply judge ball in or out of play and the referee does offside. In these areas they tend to not move up and down the line as its not really required.
I don’t need them to advise when the balls in play
But yes, ball out of play and I’ll mess up offsides.
All the leagues in the two counties I referee support this and 14 year old newly qualified referees are encouraged to do this, as part of their 5 matches are for the matches to have offsides.
That just means you are in one of the regions in England that does it that way, others do allow CARs to indicate offside and a referee not accepting this would probably end up with problems.I don’t need them to advise when the balls in play
But yes, ball out of play and I’ll mess up offsides.
All the leagues in the two counties I referee support this and 14 year old newly qualified referees are encouraged to do this, as part of their 5 matches are for the matches to have offsides.
..though it is fair enough with those regions that do allow it that way - interesting though, because this wasn’t the case in my day.
Corrected for you @BoBeB
Don't give CAR offsides, they're not qualified and the amount of CAR who are competent are less than those who are not competent
Don't give CAR offsides, they're not qualified and the amount of CAR who are bothered are less than those who are not bothered
Don't give CAR offsides, they're not qualified and the amount of CAR who are up with play are less than those who are not up with play
Don't give CAR offsides, they're not qualified and the amount of CAR who are sober are less than those who are not sober
Don't give CAR offsides, they're not qualified and the amount of CAR who are competent are less than those who are not competent
Don't give CAR offsides, they're not qualified and the amount of CAR who are bothered are less than those who are not bothered
Don't give CAR offsides, they're not qualified and the amount of CAR who are up with play are less than those who are not up with play
Don't give CAR offsides, they're not qualified and the amount of CAR who are sober are less than those who are not sober
ChasObserverRefDeveloper
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In those areas where CAR's are used for offside indications to the referee, the new referees have CAR's to assist them when they do their 5 games, so it's horses for coursesI don’t need them to advise when the balls in play
But yes, ball out of play and I’ll mess up offsides.
All the leagues in the two counties I referee support this and 14 year old newly qualified referees are encouraged to do this, as part of their 5 matches are for the matches to have offsides.
Weirdly up here CAR do offsides in Northumberland but not in Durham so depends on where game is played in some leagues which feels wrong to me.
Kes
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Not so sure I'm seeing it that way.
More often than not, the CAR is just a mis-employed substitute who (normally reluctantly) has agreed to run the line and will hand the flag to A.N Other at some point during the game anyway. Even if it's one of the coaches doing it - they're still wearing one team's badge effectively and are not "part of my team" They're just there to "assist" me and can be overruled or ditched at any time if I think they're causing me more harm than good.
Any OFFINABUS language towards them, certainly if loud enough to be heard by everybody else, is attracting the red card. But it's nothing to do with the fact that they're "my CAR" at all. It's no different to OFFINABUS language used by or toward anybody else involved in the game.
Just my own take obviously ...
