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“Foul Throw Ref”

Dicky Herts

Dicky Herts

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Do other referees, like me, wonder how so many players and coaches can make a wrong shout for a foul throw so many times during a match? In one U18 match on Sunday, I wished that I had been given £1 for every every time an incorrect shout for a foul throw was made rather than the £40 match fee :)
The shouts are rarely for an offence involving the feet. It is nearly always about the technique of the throw and often when the thrower has thrown it short and / or the trajectory is downwards (you know what I mean).
For me I’m looking to check that the player started the throw with the ball behind their head and that the throwing action is one motion ie they don’t start stop then throw again from the top or in front of head.
I have now developed a habit of replying “play on - was behind the head” or “a short throw is not a foul throw”.
Anyone developed any other phrases to help deal with this in match?
 
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Dicky Herts said:
Do other referees, like me, wonder how so many players and coaches can make a wrong shout for a foul throw so many times during a match? In one U18 match on Sunday, I wished that I had been given £1 for every every time an incorrect shout for a foul throw was made rather than the £40 match fee :)
The shouts are rarely for an offence involving the feet. It is nearly always about the technique of the throw and often when the thrower has thrown it short and / or the trajectory is downwards (you know what I mean).
For me I’m looking to check that the player started the throw with the ball behind their head and that the throwing action is one motion ie they don’t start stop then throw again from the top or in front of head.
I have now developed a habit of replying “play on - was behind the head” or “a short throw is not a foul throw”.
Anyone developed any other phrases to help deal with this in match?
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And then how the same coach’s players will then run and take throws with one leg in the air.
 
I tend to say "good enough, play on"...
It's true though, so many "foul throw" and "in the back ref" shouts over the last few weeks, youth and adult, none of which are actually foul throws or a shove in the back!
 
Some of it comes from old interpretation. Long ago, when the language was a bit different, a sideways spin I g ball was considered evidence that both arms weren’t really being used—that concept went into the dustbin of history a long time ago. I think there is still a school of thought that a “spiked” throw doesn’t meet the requirements because the force of the throw inherently doesn’t come from above the head. As far as I know, there has never been any formal statement that this is or is not correct, which means some refs call it. (The old USSF Advice to Referees had some cryptic language about the spike having been traditionally considered improper, but then got mushy about it being the opinion of the referee if that was improper.)
 
socal lurker said:
Some of it comes from old interpretation. Long ago, when the language was a bit different, a sideways spin I g ball was considered evidence that both arms weren’t really being used—that concept went into the dustbin of history a long time ago. I think there is still a school of thought that a “spiked” throw doesn’t meet the requirements because the force of the throw inherently doesn’t come from above the head. As far as I know, there has never been any formal statement that this is or is not correct, which means some refs call it. (The old USSF Advice to Referees had some cryptic language about the spike having been traditionally considered improper, but then got mushy about it being the opinion of the referee if that was improper.)
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I've had it confirmed from IFAB which is probably as much as you'll ever get on the matter.Screenshot_20240206-183915.png
 
I'd use an example from the Brentford vs Man City game last night. Gvardiol took a throw and there was a mass cry of foul throw from the crowd, the reason was he threw it very low and flat. But he had bent at the waist and delivered it from behind his head, it looked a bit strange but was perfectly legal. At grass roots any throw that looks even a little bit strange is challenged even though 99% are legal.
 
JamesL said:
I've had it confirmed from IFAB which is probably as much as you'll ever get on the matter.View attachment 7104
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I think that is pretty much the standard for a solo ref. Only penalise if the ball is dropped or is super weak sort of thing.

Obviously if they are stood on the pitch. But chances are you'll be positioned 15 yards from them watching the impending battle for the ball.
 
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