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Did I get my yellow card wrong?

dylanbailey4444

dylanbailey4444

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So today I had a u14’s game. I am moving away from doing youth football and only do these games to help out the referee Secretary or if I am doing it for the teams I coach (from u14-u16’s teams) but apart from that it’s usually county u18’s and u23’s and mens. Today I yellow carded a goalkeeper- he had the ball in his hands and had smothered it- gone to ground at pace- his momentum then had taken him outside of his area towards the corner flag (not to the corner flag, in the general direction of the corner flag) I yellow carded him for this and there was no complaints. The goalkeepers dad then comes up at the end and asked if I'm putting it through. I told him I am. He said I don’t have to put it through. I said I do. I said that I may have ‘made a mistake’ but I gave the card so I should put it through. We then had a discussion as he had read through the rules (his words- not mine!) and was saying that it wasn’t intentional, it wasn’t deliberate, his momentum had taken him, it wasn’t DOGSO etc etc and I told him that it would go down as SPA. I then thought about it and then I think I’m wrong on that. I would like to think that I got this card correct but I may well be wrong. The goalkeepers dad said he would be appealing it. We had a discussion about it and he said he would appeal it and thought it was a free kick but now a yellow.

Any comments appreciated. I would definitely like to know what it should go down as (if a yellow) and any other advice anyone has to offer.

Thank you
 
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You've answered your own question. It only needs a caution if his handling stops a promising attack, or red if it is DOGSO. From the way you have described it neither of those apply so it should have just been a free kick.

The parent can try and appeal all he likes, you can't appeal cautions.
 
dylanbailey4444 said:
So today I had a u14’s game. I am moving away from doing youth football and only do these games to help out the referee Secretary or if I am doing it for the teams I coach (from u14-u16’s teams) but apart from that it’s usually county u18’s and u23’s and mens. Today I yellow carded a goalkeeper- he had the ball in his hands and had smothered it- gone to ground at pace- his momentum then had taken him outside of his area towards the corner flag (not to the corner flag, in the general direction of the corner flag) I yellow carded him for this and there was no complaints. The goalkeepers dad then comes up at the end and asked if I'm putting it through. I told him I am. He said I don’t have to put it through. I said I do. I said that I may have ‘made a mistake’ but I gave the card so I should put it through. We then had a discussion as he had read through the rules (his words- not mine!) and was saying that it wasn’t intentional, it wasn’t deliberate, his momentum had taken him, it wasn’t DOGSO etc etc and I told him that it would go down as SPA. I then thought about it and then I think I’m wrong on that. I would like to think that I got this card correct but I may well be wrong. The goalkeepers dad said he would be appealing it. We had a discussion about it and he said he would appeal it and thought it was a free kick but now a yellow.

Any comments appreciated. I would definitely like to know what it should go down as (if a yellow) and any other advice anyone has to offer.

Thank you
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C1 unsporting behaviour and the FA code is HB for handball.
Handball isn't a mandatory caution. Cautions for handball when:
Stops promising attack,
Failed Dogso attempt,
Attempts to score a goal,
Offence is unsporting - which is obviously subjective.

Kudos to dad though, most parents think any handling outside is a mandatory red 😬 obviously all kudos was lost when he felt he could approach you in the manner he did. 🤦
 
Information from James, correct.

Based on the information in your post, I probably wouldn’t have cautioned.

But once you’ve cautioned, correct process applies and don’t let anyone put you off / bully you out of sending it in by placing doubt in your mind.

He also can’t appeal a yellow unless it’s mistaken identity, so don’t worry about that.
 
You could add an extra report or contact discipline and say you cautioned a player and duly reported it, but on reflection you believe the caution incorrect. Up to county then how they deal with it
 
JamesL said:
You could add an extra report or contact discipline and say you cautioned a player and duly reported it, but on reflection you believe the caution incorrect. Up to county then how they deal with it
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I'd definitely do this in a red card I later regret. Hasn't happened to me but happened for a game I was AR for. Not usually worth the bother for yellow unless it is really playing up on your mind.
 
JamesL said:
C1 unsporting behaviour and the FA code is HB for handball.
Handball isn't a mandatory caution. Cautions for handball when:
Stops promising attack,
Failed Dogso attempt,
Attempts to score a goal,
Offence is unsporting - which is obviously subjective.

Kudos to dad though, most parents think any handling outside is a mandatory red 😬 obviously all kudos was lost when he felt he could approach you in the manner he did. 🤦
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To be fair, he was nicer than you would expect and quite polite. But not happy that he asked me not to put it though!
 
I would add a note to say that on reflection, you didn't feel it was a caution because... reasons quoted above. Then go on to mention the request not to submit the report. All bases covered and might discourage future similar requests! 😉
 
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