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Luminated paper

callmemyref

callmemyref

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Hi, I'm thinking of printing the paper with details like - team, cautions, colours, luminate it and take notes on it.


Do you know if it will work? And which pen to use in rain?
 
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I make my own game and KFTM cards with 3mil matte pouches (glossy pouches are useless for this purpose). I binder clip multiple cards together for multi-game days and adequate stiffness, so 5mil is probably better if you only have use for a single card. While it isn't a pen, I believe a pegcil is the best bet regardless of conditions. Clips right on the card, it will always write, and has no chance of bleeding from inclement weather or sweat. When cutting/designing, most of the popular manufacturers leave a small margin of laminate outside the paper which helps avoid deterioration of the paper, or bleeding of the printed ink inside. I learned this from experience, as the cards pictured which were my first iteration now have ink bleeding around the edges.RLoadout2020.jpg
 
Sam_C said:
I make my own game and KFTM cards with 3mil matte pouches (glossy pouches are useless for this purpose). I binder clip multiple cards together for multi-game days and adequate stiffness, so 5mil is probably better if you only have use for a single card. While it isn't a pen, I believe a pegcil is the best bet regardless of conditions. Clips right on the card, it will always write, and has no chance of bleeding from inclement weather or sweat. When cutting/designing, most of the popular manufacturers leave a small margin of laminate outside the paper which helps avoid deterioration of the paper, or bleeding of the printed ink inside. I learned this from experience, as the cards pictured which were my first iteration now have ink bleeding around the edges.View attachment 5067
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Thnaks a lot? Can you reuse these cards? How do you do your own cards, laminate them?
 
Zeigermaher said:
Thnaks a lot? Can you reuse these cards? How do you do your own cards, laminate them?
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Of course, that's the whole point. Pen ink or sharpie removal needs a solvent like IPA, while the pencil just erases off. Write-on-cards are just laminated paper, there isn't anything crazy going on.
 
Sam_C said:
Of course, that's the whole point. Pen ink or sharpie removal needs a solvent like IPA, while the pencil just erases off. Write-on-cards are just laminated paper, there isn't anything crazy going on.
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Sharpie pops off with lynx. 😁 I know. Its how I clean my write ons.
No one has ever commented how nice my cards smell though... 😭
 
Sam_C said:
Of course, that's the whole point. Pen ink or sharpie removal needs a solvent like IPA, while the pencil just erases off. Write-on-cards are just laminated paper, there isn't anything crazy going on.
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Thanks a lot, I did my own card design in photoshop, will try to stick to you instructions and do it on Tuesday. Thanks a lot.
 
Sam_C said:
I make my own game and KFTM cards with 3mil matte pouches (glossy pouches are useless for this purpose). I binder clip multiple cards together for multi-game days and adequate stiffness, so 5mil is probably better if you only have use for a single card. While it isn't a pen, I believe a pegcil is the best bet regardless of conditions. Clips right on the card, it will always write, and has no chance of bleeding from inclement weather or sweat. When cutting/designing, most of the popular manufacturers leave a small margin of laminate outside the paper which helps avoid deterioration of the paper, or bleeding of the printed ink inside. I learned this from experience, as the cards pictured which were my first iteration now have ink bleeding around the edges.View attachment 5067
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What's SC? second caution?
 
Sam_C said:
I make my own game and KFTM cards with 3mil matte pouches (glossy pouches are useless for this purpose). I binder clip multiple cards together for multi-game days and adequate stiffness, so 5mil is probably better if you only have use for a single card. While it isn't a pen, I believe a pegcil is the best bet regardless of conditions. Clips right on the card, it will always write, and has no chance of bleeding from inclement weather or sweat. When cutting/designing, most of the popular manufacturers leave a small margin of laminate outside the paper which helps avoid deterioration of the paper, or bleeding of the printed ink inside. I learned this from experience, as the cards pictured which were my first iteration now have ink bleeding around the edges.View attachment 5067
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What are the differences between 3 mil and 5 mil?
 
Sam_C said:
I make my own game and KFTM cards with 3mil matte pouches (glossy pouches are useless for this purpose). I binder clip multiple cards together for multi-game days and adequate stiffness, so 5mil is probably better if you only have use for a single card. While it isn't a pen, I believe a pegcil is the best bet regardless of conditions. Clips right on the card, it will always write, and has no chance of bleeding from inclement weather or sweat. When cutting/designing, most of the popular manufacturers leave a small margin of laminate outside the paper which helps avoid deterioration of the paper, or bleeding of the printed ink inside. I learned this from experience, as the cards pictured which were my first iteration now have ink bleeding around the edges.View attachment 5067
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Isn't it better to laminate it twice? :) And maybe put carton in order to make it easier to write on it?
 
For games in the rain (which I don't get many of in Southern California, especially since most grass fields get closed when it rains), I use a small waterproof spiral notebook and a "space pen," which can write under water. (For other games I use my own insert for a ref wallet: three columns, the small middle column for time of game, and I write in anything that needs to be recorded in the left column for home and the right column for visitor. Simple, but works for me. I've never understood some of the fancy ones that people come up with.)
 
Sam_C said:
I never thought of only using a single column for time. Has the general limitation of 1 entry/row ever filled up a card before the end of a game?
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No, but if it did I'd just flip it over. If I get a chance, I'll upload it later if I can figure out how to do that.

[edit: excel file attached with what I use. Each page gives three, which I have to trim a bit to fit into the ref wallet]
 

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Sam_C said:
I make my own game and KFTM cards with 3mil matte pouches (glossy pouches are useless for this purpose). I binder clip multiple cards together for multi-game days and adequate stiffness, so 5mil is probably better if you only have use for a single card. While it isn't a pen, I believe a pegcil is the best bet regardless of conditions. Clips right on the card, it will always write, and has no chance of bleeding from inclement weather or sweat. When cutting/designing, most of the popular manufacturers leave a small margin of laminate outside the paper which helps avoid deterioration of the paper, or bleeding of the printed ink inside. I learned this from experience, as the cards pictured which were my first iteration now have ink bleeding around the edges.View attachment 5067
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What do you write with on your cards? As pegcil doesn’t work on luminated paper
 
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