Lee Trundle trick penalty
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Alexi Sanchez feigned to have a shot last week at West Sham, shocking, totally confused all the defenders and the goalkeeper. Yellow card LOL...
There are lots of sneaky tricks in football, I'm struggling to call this anything but a sneaky goal
There are lots of sneaky tricks in football, I'm struggling to call this anything but a sneaky goal
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Not quite. While it does say feinting is, '"An action which attempts to confuse an opponent," it doesn't say it's necessarily illegal - in fact it says there is both "permitted and ‘illegal’ feinting."
As for penalties, the 2010 amendment was brought in specifically to outlaw the 'paradinha' penalty which is where the player runs up to the ball, pretends to kick it but doesn't do so, waits for the keeper to dive and then rolls the ball into the opposite corner.
The wording says that the illegal feint at a penalty involves "feinting to kick the ball once the player has completed his run-up" and as mentioned, means stopping completely and waiting for the keeper to commit himself. This player did not "feint to kick the ball" - he kicked it (albeit in an unusual manner) without stopping and waiting.
As promised - although none the wiser. I personally read this with emphasis on spirit of the game. in the actual instance, it is a charity game why not award the goal? I still have the same opinion that this would be illegal feinting. Whilst he doesnt feint to kick the ball, he feints he isnt going to kick it which for me is darn near 1 of the same thing. I have probably worded the email poorly in hindsight by using an example which of course they wouldnt comment on seeing as it involves another referee which I suppose is fair.
Dear James
Thank you for your e mail.
The IFAB does not comment on individual situations or referee decisions, only Law interpretation.
In cases such as this, the referee on the day would have to decide if this was a part of football skill or whether it was an unsporting action, against the spirit of the game.
Best wishes
David Elleray
Technical Director
The International Football Association Board - IFAB
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From: james long
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:39 PM
To: Law Enquiries
Subject: Permissable or illegal Feinting from a penalty kick
Dear IFAB,
Recently during a charity game a penalty was scored which has caused some debate amongst referees with some believing that a goal should be awarded and others believe an infringement of law 14 has taken place, which would result in an indirect free kick and caution for the taker.
It has been covered in the media in the UK so you might already be aware of it, but it is a penalty scored by proffessional player Lee Trundle. At the end of his run up the player bends over the ball as if to reposition it on the penalty mark, but in the same action kicks the ball into the goal. A goal is awarded.
However, the debate amongst referees is whether or not the players actions should be deemed as illegal feinting in law.
Feinting in the glossary is defined as:
"An action which attempts to confuse an opponent. The laws define permitted and illegal feinting."
Law 14 says the following is an infringement when taking a kick from the penalty mark:
"feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run up"
In this case the player does not feint to kick the ball, but feints an alternative action (repositioning of the ball) all in one free flowing motion during the run up and taking of the penalty.
Can the IFAB please provide clarification on this incident as to whether this is an infringement of law 14, or not?
If you are unaware of the incident a clip can be found at the following link: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38220790
Kind Regards
James Long
Dear James
Thank you for your e mail.
The IFAB does not comment on individual situations or referee decisions, only Law interpretation.
In cases such as this, the referee on the day would have to decide if this was a part of football skill or whether it was an unsporting action, against the spirit of the game.
Best wishes
David Elleray
Technical Director
The International Football Association Board - IFAB
---
Münstergasse 9
CH-8001 Zurich
Tel. General: +41 (0) 44 245 1886
www.theifab.com
Please consider the environment before printing this email.
From: james long
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:39 PM
To: Law Enquiries
Subject: Permissable or illegal Feinting from a penalty kick
Dear IFAB,
Recently during a charity game a penalty was scored which has caused some debate amongst referees with some believing that a goal should be awarded and others believe an infringement of law 14 has taken place, which would result in an indirect free kick and caution for the taker.
It has been covered in the media in the UK so you might already be aware of it, but it is a penalty scored by proffessional player Lee Trundle. At the end of his run up the player bends over the ball as if to reposition it on the penalty mark, but in the same action kicks the ball into the goal. A goal is awarded.
However, the debate amongst referees is whether or not the players actions should be deemed as illegal feinting in law.
Feinting in the glossary is defined as:
"An action which attempts to confuse an opponent. The laws define permitted and illegal feinting."
Law 14 says the following is an infringement when taking a kick from the penalty mark:
"feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run up"
In this case the player does not feint to kick the ball, but feints an alternative action (repositioning of the ball) all in one free flowing motion during the run up and taking of the penalty.
Can the IFAB please provide clarification on this incident as to whether this is an infringement of law 14, or not?
If you are unaware of the incident a clip can be found at the following link: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38220790
Kind Regards
James Long
No doubt the 'Oracle' that is Keith Hackett will have his two penneth to stir it up!
That one word for him, not the one I would use though
Agreed. apart from the restart. this situation would be an indirect free kick and caution.
So you are saying this is a feint as opposed to deception? If that is your opinion then yes it would be a mandatory caution and an idfk. I don't see a feint myself so would go down the route of deception and not in the spirit of the game - which would therefore be a retake.
There is nothing in the laws about deception. There is permissable and illegal feinting. Spirit of the game can only be applied within the framework of the laws. To me if you are saying no goal due to deception you are, within the framework of the laws, saying illegal feinting. And surely you would apply the relevant sanction, in law.
Okay, taking your rationale, award the goal. There is no feint here.
I will use an example given by the SFA in the past. If a corner kick had been awarded and a player placed the ball, touched the ball and moved and run away - as though he had simply placed the ball for his team mate to take the corner. A team mate then jogged up to the ball and started to dribble the ball at speed into play. This is the classic case of deception and should not be allowed. No "law" in the written word has been infringed, however, taking account of overall game management and the spirit of the game - allow a retake.
To be honest, going back to this instance with Lee Trundle, I only signal for the kick to be taken once it is placed and the kicker is ready to run up and strike! I wouldnt be signalling to take when the ball is being placed therefore it would be a retake.
The SFA really say this should be a retake? I'm amazed!
It's irrelevant now as the law has been changed to address exactly this situation but that seems to be making things up at a level previously seen only in the US
. How do they feel about players running up to take free kicks and then running over the ball and letting a teammate take the kick. Deception and a re-take?