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Canada vs Qatar

What am I reading on here?
Every tackle is a red according to some of you as every tackle "enganders the safety of an opponent".
Get those reds out, match abandoned, every is safe!
 
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IMO 99 times out of 100 that very same tackle would cause no injury whatsoever, the referee might give a caution, and nothing more would be said about it. Should we really punish the 1% case differently because the outcome was different? If a player has an undiagnosed weakness in their tib/fib that means their very next collision will result in a break - does that mean the next player who carelessly trips him gets a red?

SFP should be judged on the merits of the foul itself, not on the consequences.
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Agree with some of your post. And sometimes even with a serious injury there shouldn't be a red card.

However, expectations aside, even those who dont agree with a red (and I thin you as well) think this was a yellow and reckless. I will have a stab at another logic. A reckless challenge that causes a serious injury to an opponent fits the definition of endangering the safety of an opponent.
 
If you go out in the street and push a random person, you could end up with an assault conviction. However, depending on how serious the injuries are to the victim, that same action could land you with a GBH or manslaughter charge. The principle is that you shouldn't have unlawfully pushed that person and, regardless of intent, you are responsible for how the victim ended up.

I have no problem with the same principle being applied to football: if a player intentionally fouls an opponent thereby breaking that opponent's leg, surely a serious sanction should follow?
 
Mr Dean said:
I have no problem with the same principle being applied to football: if a player intentionally fouls an opponent thereby breaking that opponent's leg, surely a serious sanction should follow?
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I think I agree, but it’s hard because I would want and to extend this to players pushing other players off the pitch in to advertising boards/ railings.

Also to think of a recent example, the Sunderland striker who pushed Romero in to his own keeper which meant Romero was then out for the season - Red card for him too.
 
I can think of at least three levels of a leg breaking foul tackles when challenging for the ball.
- There was no malice in the tackle, a broken leg outcome was unexpected.
- the intent of the tackle was not to break the leg but the broken leg outcome should have been expected
- the intent of the outcome was to hurt the opponent

For me all of the above are red cards. It is the length of suspension that should look at the level of leg breaking foul tackle.
 
That’s a ludicrous decision. And further backs up my view that FIFA should not be able to make law changes mid-tournament. They overreact to incidents on a ridiculous level, this will have come from a combination of Infantino, Wenger and Collina.

If it was Messi, Ronaldo, Kane, Vini Jr, etc, who had made that fairly innocuous challenge does anyone think they would be getting a 5 game ban? I very much doubt it.
 
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I can think of at least three levels of a leg breaking foul tackles when challenging for the ball.
- There was no malice in the tackle, a broken leg outcome was unexpected.
- the intent of the tackle was not to break the leg but the broken leg outcome should have been expected
- the intent of the outcome was to hurt the opponent

For me all of the above are red cards. It is the length of suspension that should look at the level of leg breaking foul tackle.
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I don't agree
I gave a yellow card RP caution for a 'leg breaker' this season. It wasn't a leg breaker, it was just an unfortunate broken leg. It's a contact sport, so stuff happens. I was observed on the game. Nobody expected a red card and I got good marks all round (observer and both clubs)

The penalty for causing death by careless driving is considerably less than causing death by dangerous driving. It's the manner of driving which is the crime. The rest is down to nothing more than luck. Interestingly though, the public would hardly accept the same penalty for careless driving with or without a death, so I know where you're coming from!

Common sense dictates however, the severity of an injury is 'bloody' solid evidence the referee should at least be influenced by
There's always exceptions, as in my game
 
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Big Cat said:
I don't agree
I gave a yellow card RP caution for a 'leg breaker' this season. It wasn't a leg breaker, it was just an unfortunate broken leg. It's a contact sport, so stuff happens. I was observed on the game. Nobody expected a red card and I got good marks all round (observer and both clubs)

The penalty for causing death by careless driving is considerably less than causing death by dangerous driving. It's the manner of driving which is the crime. The rest is down to nothing more than luck. Interestingly though, the public would hardly accept the same penalty for careless driving with or without a death, so I know where you're coming from!

Common sense dictates however, the severity of an injury is 'bloody' solid evidence the referee should at least be influenced by
There's always exceptions, as in my game
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Kind of agree, but the law wording doesn’t help. If you commit a foul, and the referee penalises it, that breaks an opponents leg how can it possibly be argued that you didn’t endanger their safety? It is black and white, you broke his leg in two places with a foul challenge, you didn’t mean to but the fact remains you did.

This wasn’t the first time a referee saw the extent of an injury and changed his decision and it won’t be the last.
 
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