ladbroke8745
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Gabriel lucky to not be sent off?
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It's smacks of let keep it 11 against 11 because its the biggest game of the season it also smacks of the VAR being afraid to overrule Taylor because I assumed he saw it properly and decided yellow was enough.
On the other hand, whilst Haaland was very honest here, if he went down clutching his face I would be saying that amount of contact shouldn't make you fall to the ground like that but there was a clear forward movement by Gabriel there, it was definitely more than just heads touching.
On the other hand, whilst Haaland was very honest here, if he went down clutching his face I would be saying that amount of contact shouldn't make you fall to the ground like that but there was a clear forward movement by Gabriel there, it was definitely more than just heads touching.
Yes, an action which has always been a red card. But now it's not! Apparently
Surprised the ref Gods didn't decree an equalizer by Gabriel. That would've made life interesting
Suppose it just shows that cheating is what gets the opponent sent off, and fair play to Haaland... he's no cheat. There aren't many of his ilk
Gabriel's action is indicative of Arsenal crumbling
In the words of Sid Waddell, 'one foot on a banana skin and the other in the crematorium, and they're slipping'!
Surprised the ref Gods didn't decree an equalizer by Gabriel. That would've made life interesting
Suppose it just shows that cheating is what gets the opponent sent off, and fair play to Haaland... he's no cheat. There aren't many of his ilk
Gabriel's action is indicative of Arsenal crumbling
In the words of Sid Waddell, 'one foot on a banana skin and the other in the crematorium, and they're slipping'!
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Which is why players dive and roll around.
Because referees will go with the leniant option if you don't.
Surprised it wasn't given as VC, and pretty sure it would have been had Haaland gone down holding his head. But not sure VAR can get involved, if Taylor has said he saw it clearly and didn't think it was violent, or there was minimal contact, VAR doesn't really have anywhere to go. He saw it clearly and had the yellow card out immediately.
I can't remember a single instance of this action not being met with a dismissal. I get that AT has earned the right to act as Judge Dred, but what works for him in the biggest of games is not what will work at lower levels. As usual, what we see on TV will get exactly copied at all levels of the game and this sets a very dangerous precedent for the rest of us
And it's unfair. Not that Newcastle have anything left to play for, but in equity, it's unfair on the next three teams Arsenal face for Gabriel to be playing. I also think this incident should've been more costly to Arsenal in their title race, because it demonstrates they're losing it
AT has made a serious mistake here in my opinion, both in the context of yesterday's game and more importantly, for the wider game
And it's unfair. Not that Newcastle have anything left to play for, but in equity, it's unfair on the next three teams Arsenal face for Gabriel to be playing. I also think this incident should've been more costly to Arsenal in their title race, because it demonstrates they're losing it
AT has made a serious mistake here in my opinion, both in the context of yesterday's game and more importantly, for the wider game
Well former referee Graham Scott has backed Anthony Taylor's decision of only showing a yellow card with Graham saying "it looked like a potential headbutt but he(Haaland) was stepping away and there was no contact that would look like violent conduct to the referee". I mean surely it's not just about the amount of contact, it's the intent and unlike the recent hair pulling incidents, you know 100% it was an intentional forward movement of the head which did make contact to Hallands face. I think Neville called it spot on is when the heads touch then yellow is fine for unsporting but it's a red if there is clear forward movement.
I do feel somewhat for the VAR though if Taylor saw it clearly and still thought it was just a yellow, what would he see at the screen to change his mind but when John Brooks recommends a review for a minimal hair contact because the ref did not see it(and Brooks must think it's a red card to call him over) and then stay out of a clearer red card offense because the ref has made the decision then it's really not helping the officials one bit.
I do feel somewhat for the VAR though if Taylor saw it clearly and still thought it was just a yellow, what would he see at the screen to change his mind but when John Brooks recommends a review for a minimal hair contact because the ref did not see it(and Brooks must think it's a red card to call him over) and then stay out of a clearer red card offense because the ref has made the decision then it's really not helping the officials one bit.
Interesting here some are saying it should be a red card, but with the United Hair pull it shouldn't have been one? There was probably less force in Gabriel's head movement than the hair pull.
I guess it shows everyone has varying opinions and why VAR is always under scrutiny!
Disclaimer: I think any punch/kick/stamp/headbutt/hair pull should be a red card regardless of force or any definition involved in the rule book. It simply isn't part of the game and should have lengthy bans attached to it. Also, dives to make out you've been headbutted should be punished accordingly.
I guess it shows everyone has varying opinions and why VAR is always under scrutiny!
Disclaimer: I think any punch/kick/stamp/headbutt/hair pull should be a red card regardless of force or any definition involved in the rule book. It simply isn't part of the game and should have lengthy bans attached to it. Also, dives to make out you've been headbutted should be punished accordingly.
ChasObserverRefDeveloper
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As a side issue about bias among match officials, I was aware yesterday that a young relative is bored, having suffered a broken leg, so is stuck indoors.
I set him an Internet challenge. "How quickly can you collate allegations that referees/VAR are biased against each team in the Premier League?"
How quickly? 70 minutes
It isn’t & shouldn’t be as straightforward as that since if it was there will be many more red cards than there are at the moment. It appears to be only the PL who want red cards for hair pulls no matter what level of intensity and so players know exactly where they stand. As to the incident with Harlaand & Gabriel, had Gabriel been sent off Taylor would not have been incorrect in Law, but was it a head-butt as we know it. I get what Big Cat is saying about the wider game and had it been at grass roots I would have expect it to be dealt with by a red card simply because of it wasn’t the Referee is very likely to have issues with Match Control (if there wasn’t anyway because of the incident). However, for me, this was an orange because it was a locking of horns with Gabriel’s head not being brought back before moving forward, though he did move it forward with more of a push. Was there some wriggle room for Taylor - I agree with Graham Scott and think that there was. I know many think there wasn’t including many on this forum.
I think, rightly or wrongly, what saved Gabriel was the fact both players went head to head, then Gabriel pushed his forwards making it more of a push with the head, than a headbutt as such. I think you're correct about Haaland saving him by not going down, but I don't hate a caution in that individual scenario.
It's not a headbutt that you will see in a street brawl of course not but it's a clear unjustified forward movement onto the head of Haaland and as Big Cat post shows, we have seen red cards for much less in the past. Football expects a red card and the law certainly suggests it should be a red but yet again we are looking for excuses for the referee making such a bad decision really.
It’s also not a headbutt that is often seen in football, especially Sunday morning football. What football expects is a horrid term, what does it actually mean, if there is a subjective decision for the award of a penalty - does football expect it, or not expect it! Is the incident involving Gabriel violent conduct in the pure sense of the word, or is as Taylor is presumably seeing it as both adopting an aggressive attitude! I am not saying he was right, but I am also saying he is not wrong either. Football as with other sports and most things in life is not always black & white - there are shades of grey, some darker than others!
The PL's comments haven't really helped! Licence to do your head-butts less aggressively.
"The referee's call of no red card was checked and confirmed by VAR - with the action from Gabriel deemed not to be excessively aggressive or violent."
That's a bit rum when VC means using excessive force or brutality "regardless of whether contact is made".
"The referee's call of no red card was checked and confirmed by VAR - with the action from Gabriel deemed not to be excessively aggressive or violent."
That's a bit rum when VC means using excessive force or brutality "regardless of whether contact is made".
I can’t see that it was excessive force or brutality. Although I usually always like to compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges, as to hair pulls (not this incident of course), which are not usually excessive force, but are seen by the PL/FA etc as an act of brutality (at the moment anyway) & I can live with that.