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U14's - SNAP HIM!!

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Russell Jones said:
I’d be wary of using Refchat referees as a representative sample of the the officiating population. In reality, I believe that the majority of U14 referees would completely ignore this comment … wrongly in my opinion.

@HonestRef , I understand that the decision might, in the above context, be unexpected. But in a world where player safety is / should be our number one priority, I hope you can see why the majority of dedicated, committed referees on this forum would be brave and take action.
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I stand by putting a future referee in a no win situation makes you LWR as to the person above who called me LWR no I just do what LOTG allow for and what football also expects and don’t throw next weeks ref under the bus.
 
🙉 . They are your games to officiate and entirely your choice how you choose to deal with any provocative, unsporting and unnecessarily aggressive comments. Hopefully, based on the input from EVERY other poster on here, you get the point that, if you ignore such comments, you will be making life harder for at least some of the referees that follow you.

Who knows, maybe if you chose to deal firmly with the comments, next week’s ref wouldn’t have to deal with the problem at all, as the 30 or so participants might have taken on board the idea that such comments have no place in football?! 😊
 
ICan'tSpeyk said:
I heard in a recent Sunday league game "kill him". a slight advance on "snap"...
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Genuine question, and something that popped into my mind straight away, is there an argument for a red card (rather than a caution) here? I'm honestly not sure on this one, so I'm curious.

Edit: Interestingly, I have just seen you could very easily justify a red if a team official said this, under:
physical or aggressive behaviour (including spitting or biting) towards an opposing player, substitute, team official, match official, spectator or any other person (e.g. ball boy/girl, security or competition official etc.)
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As that comment is clearly aggressive, you could justify the red card. Still not sure for a player though!
 
I couldn't identify exact player as it came from behind me. When i turned there were 3 suspects all as likely as each other, so played ignorant. Non of opposition players were fussed either so made life easier.

I don't have an answer for you though. I'd probably stick with caution and IDFK. I feel like a red would be looking for trouble in Sunday League and make the situation more difficult to manage. Rather than giving a caution, making him feel a prat and cracking on with the game.
 
ICan'tSpeyk said:
I don't have an answer for you though. I'd probably stick with caution and IDFK. I feel like a red would be looking for trouble in Sunday League and make the situation more difficult to manage. Rather than giving a caution, making him feel a prat and cracking on with the game.
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The one thing I was thinking about was the fact it's Sunday league! At Dog & Duck, you probably would be ok with a yellow and a very stern word putting him on his last chance for any nonsense.

bester said:
It hits the trifecta of offensive, insulting and abusive for me!

It's clearly used figuratively in this context but a red wouldn't be hard to justify.
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I did think that at first to be honest. First thought was VC, but obviously can't be that if no attempt at excessive force or brutality is made, so then I thought OFFINABUS and realised it could quite easily be that. Do think I would probably go C1 (BE) though at Dog & Duck level!
 
HonestRef said:
I stand by putting a future referee in a no win situation makes you LWR as to the person above who called me LWR no I just do what LOTG allow for and what football also expects and don’t throw next weeks ref under the bus.
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Do you not think the fact that every single person, including lots of very experienced referees and observers, don't agree with you means that you might possibly be wrong on this?

Not taking action when someone shouts something like snap him creates a very significant risk of your match control going down the drain. It doesn't necessarily need to be a caution, depending on the reaction of opponents and the general temperature of the game, but as a minimum you need to be publicly letting them know it isn't acceptable.
 
RustyRef said:
Do you not think the fact that every single person, including lots of very experienced referees and observers, don't agree with you means that you might possibly be wrong on this?

Not taking action when someone shouts something like snap him creates a very significant risk of your match control going down the drain. It doesn't necessarily need to be a caution, depending on the reaction of opponents and the general temperature of the game, but as a minimum you need to be publicly letting them know it isn't acceptable.
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Taking action risks it risks it far more given LOTG and footballs expectations
 
HonestRef said:
Taking action risks it risks it far more given LOTG and footballs expectations
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You keep referring to lotg. Can you quote the text from lotg that says OP can not be a caution.

You also refer to "football expects". The LOTG make it clear in "The philosophy and spirit of the Laws" section that you only use this when the laws dont cover something.
 
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You keep referring to lotg. Can you quote the text from lotg that says OP can not be a caution.

You also refer to "football expects". The LOTG make it clear in "The philosophy and spirit of the Laws" section that you only use this when the laws dont cover something.
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You make it clear in the second part why you shouldn’t caution.
 
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HonestRef said:
You make it clear in the second part why you shouldn’t caution.
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Honestly (pun intended) you are contradicting yourself.
If you say the laws cover this then you shouldn't be using "football expects".

The laws do actually cover it, but to support OP. Laws 5.3 (powers and duties) and 12.4 (Cautions for unsporting behaviour) make the caution in OP correct and in line with the laws of the game.
 
one said:
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Honestly (pun intended) you are contradicting yourself.
If you say the laws cover this then you shouldn't be using "football expects".

The laws do actually cover it, but to support OP. Laws 5.3 (powers and duties) and 12.4 (Cautions for unsporting behaviour) make the caution in OP correct and in line with the laws of the game.
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Could also be verbal distraction, if I was running with the ball and I heard someone shout snap him I would most certainly be distracted.
 
one said:
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Honestly (pun intended) you are contradicting yourself.
If you say the laws cover this then you shouldn't be using "football expects".

The laws do actually cover it, but to support OP. Laws 5.3 (powers and duties) and 12.4 (Cautions for unsporting behaviour) make the caution in OP correct and in line with the laws of the game.
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Yes law says it’s up to you to decide USB and as football expects no action so going against is throwing future colleagues under the bus
 
HonestRef said:
It really does and it really is but it seems pointless arguing with someone with this mindset so let’s end this debate here.
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I am utterly bewildered by your view that not only is it not unsporting to yell at teammates to injure another p,Ayer, but it is so clearly not unsporting that it makes someone last week’s ref if they recognize this as unsporting. I find this an utterly shocking perspective of what behavior is acceptable in the gentlemen’s game. And I am perplexed at what games you are doing that suggest football expects this to be acceptable.
 
HonestRef said:
It really does and it really is but it seems pointless arguing with someone with this mindset so let’s end this debate here.
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I’m not the outlier here, you are literally the only person who thinks this shouldn’t generate at least a response from the referee.
 
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