Wall or a fence?

[Hilly1618]

Thoughts on the disallowed Eze ‘goal’ for Palace against Chelsea?

It appears that after a VAR intervention that the goal was disallowed for a Palace player being within 1m of a Chelsea ‘wall’.

Now it didn’t look like a wall to me but 3 players stood in a line with a clear gap between one another, so clear in fact that a Palace player filled each gap. (There was a wall a couple of metres away covering the other post)

Eze shoots straight into the goal, awarded on field then VAR intervene.

Nothing to say in IFAB as to what a Wall is other than 3 players

 

[RefereeX]

He ends up within 1 metre of the ‘other wall’ that you mention at the point the ball is kicked, and that’s why it was disallowed…

 

[QuaverRef]

It was pretty obvious there was a wall to be honest, there were 4 Chelsea players in a line with another lying down behind them

 

[Hilly1618]

It was pretty obvious there was a wall to be honest, there were 4 Chelsea players in a line with another lying down behind them

That’s not what I was referring too. I stated that there was a wall covering the other post.

 

[Hilly1618]

He ends up within 1 metre of the ‘other wall’ that you mention at the point the ball is kicked, and that’s why it was disallowed…

I never thought about that, thanks. I obviously concentrated too much on the players original position in amongst three very loosely connected Chelsea players. The on field Ref obviously doing the same

 

[bester]

It's not in VARs remit to intervene if it was for 1 m from the wall infringement

 

[Josh the referee]

It's not in VARs remit to intervene if it was for 1 m from the wall infringement

Yeah think we need some guidance from IFAB for that

Also did VAR get the ruler out and measure it?

If hes meant to intervene for that, then I guess its a good decision. Other than that I don't think the whole team officiating performance has looked great so far. Hopefully improves drastically second half!

 

[RustyRef]

It's not in VARs remit to intervene if it was for 1 m from the wall infringement

It is when a goal has been scored. All goals are checked, and if there is an offence in the build up to it they will recommend a review.

It also showed that the stadium announcement can be very useful. I initially thought it was for Guehi being in an offside position, then wondered if they were penalising him for a foul.

 

[Josh the referee]

It also showed that the stadium announcement can be very useful. I initially thought it was for Guehi being in an offside position, then wondered if they were penalising him for a foul.

Yeah actually think it was probably a good example of it being used but Sky had no clue what was going on

 

[Josh the referee]

Errrrrrrr



Edit: Should add I haven't dug through Dale's tweets for this, I've just seen someone post it on X

 

[bester]

Have discussed with Dale already, after 5 years of being told the VAR was correct not to intervene in scores of these incidents as it's a restart offence he's now being told it's not a restart offence.

I'll await the retrospective changing of the VAR stats to reflect all those missed interventions.

 

[Josh the referee]

Have discussed with Dale already, after 5 years of being told the VAR was correct not to intervene in scores of these incidents as it's a restart offence he's now being told it's not a restart offence.

I'll await the retrospective changing of the VAR stats to reflect all those missed interventions.

PGMOL going to have to be making apologies galore

Not sure if they can ever actually make their minds up. All a bit of a mess really

 

[Runner Ref]

It is when a goal has been scored. All goals are checked, and if there is an offence in the build up to it they will recommend a review.

It also showed that the stadium announcement can be very useful. I initially thought it was for Guehi being in an offside position, then wondered if they were penalising him for a foul.

Please explain the above

 

[RustyRef]

I can only assume he's misunderstood, suspect he is probably referring to this under the VAR protocol ...

The Laws of the Game do not allow restart decisions (corner kicks, throw-ins etc.) to be changed once play has restarted, so they cannot be reviewed

Which essential means that if a referee incorrectly gives a corner when it should have been a goal kick and they score from it then VAR cannot get involved. But whilst the goal was scored from a restart, an attacking player has very clearly committed an offence and as VAR check goals they are correct to recommend a review.

Whilst Dale Johnson is generally very good, he's just a journalist who has spent a lot of time making sure he understands the VAR protocol, that doesn't mean he can't and won't get things wrong though.

 

[Josh the referee]

Agree with that last bit especially.

But does that mean PGMOL should've apologised for at least 2 last season that I can think of?

 

[Alex_the_ref]

What I don't understand is if he is less than 1m why does the referee need to review it? Surely it is like encroachment on a penalty it's an offence in law.. so if VAR pick it up they tell the referee who responds accordingly. Why the need to check it on screen and suggest it is a subjective decision?

 

[Josh the referee]

Simon Hooper marking out a line in the Man U game and it not even being a metre away

 

[Paul_10]

What I don't understand is if he is less than 1m why does the referee need to review it? Surely it is like encroachment on a penalty it's an offence in law.. so if VAR pick it up they tell the referee who responds accordingly. Why the need to check it on screen and suggest it is a subjective decision?

Maybe the VAR thought it was a foul and then during the review process maybe the referee noticed the infringment by the Palace player?

Since this law came in, not once this has happened via VAR and in every single premier league game since it came in, you can't tell me something similar has never ever happened?

 

[JD1]

It is when a goal has been scored. All goals are checked, and if there is an offence in the build up to it they will recommend a review.

It also showed that the stadium announcement can be very useful. I initially thought it was for Guehi being in an offside position, then wondered if they were penalising him for a foul.

That's because the descriptor on TV said 'checking for offside', which im confident was the original idea

For VAR to intervene, change its mind without any factual metric or measurement available (unlike offside) is just pure stupidity and annoyance.

 

[RustyRef]

That's because the descriptor on TV said 'checking for offside', which im confident was the original idea

For VAR to intervene, change its mind without any factual metric or measurement available (unlike offside) is just pure stupidity and annoyance.

The offside check, which is done for every goal, would have been completed very quickly as he clearly wasn't offside.

They really didn't need any electronic measurement technology, it was that obvious. 1m is a little under half the height of a tall player, Guehi was pretty much touching the wall and was very clearly within 1m of it.

If we look at the VAR protocol, this is one of the listed situations as being in scope for VAR intervention ...

attacking team offence in the build-up to or scoring of the goal (handball, foul, offside etc.)

Was Guehi an attacking player? Yes. Was there an attacking team offence in the scoring of the goal? Yes, as being closer than 1m to the wall is an offence. Therefore there is absolutely no reason why VAR can't get involved in this situation. If it was a case where they would have needed a method of accurately measuring the distance then I'd suspect they would say it wasn't a clear and obvious error and stay out. But not even the most argumentative of people could argue that Guehi wasn't within 1m of the wall.