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Just tuned in for the 2nd half.
How has Jota not been cautioned for the blatant dive and conning of Simon Hooper?
Hopper has given it for what he thought was a trip but VAR have shown him that absolutely no contact was made and he actually kicked the Wolves player on his way down. He was absolutely trying to con the ref and receives no punishment.
 
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He’s missed numerous occasions to caution people. Had min 5 Wolves players surrounding him when he awarded the penalty that stood.

Cunha just very clearly showed dissent with his arms, then Salah does the exact same 20 seconds later.
 
He’s missed numerous occasions to caution people. Had min 5 Wolves players surrounding him when he awarded the penalty that stood.

Cunha just very clearly showed dissent with his arms, then Salah does the exact same 20 seconds later.
Ait Nouri too. Committed 2 fouls in as many minutes, has a hissy fit and Hooper calls him over to calm down.
Caution him.
He won't do it again.
Even Allison had a very clear moan. Showing clear dissent.
 
We all know how it works by now, say your going to clamp down on dissent, do it quite strictly early on and then gradually as the season goes on it fades away.

Amazed Jota didn't receive a yellow for that dive. Just thankfully for Simon Hooper's case, he was not already on a yellow.
 
The 2 'take one for the team' counter attack stops from Liverpool defenders went unpunished first half.

Konate booting the ball away unpunished.
Konate reckless mid air challenge which is nailed on caution every time, nothing.

The penalty. The defender would have made a simple clearance but is clearly pushed out of the way. Not sure how that wasn't given when the push has made such a significant impact in the defender playing the ball.
 
I was amazed not a second yellow for a foul, but given a yellow for waving the imaginary yellow card. Would have been a second yellow.

The usual early enforcement in the season vanishes. No wonder fans get so incensed and it makes our life harder every weekend because of it.
 
I didn't have a huge issue with the initial award of the penalty from the way the Wolves defender slid in.
Having seen it on the footage, it's blatant simulation and I was astonished to see Hooper motion for a drop ball restart on the assumption he would be cautioning
 
I can't help thinking there has been a directive to give out less cards, especially around SPA. In the Palace vs Everton game last night Anthony Taylor let a lot of holding and pull backs go, that I'm sure he would normally have cautioned for, go with just free kicks awarded. I honestly thought he'd forgot his cards at one point. Simon Hooper was the same earlier, and now we're seeing the same with Peter Bankes on Spurs vs Man Utd. There was an absolute textbook SPA by Mazroui on Maddison but just a free kick given, and there have been several others that would normally have seen a card.
 
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Konate booting the ball away unpunished.
He was cautioned for the SPA holding immediately before he then kicked the ball away. No senior referee is going to give him a caution for both SPA and delaying restart at the same time, especially as the fact he was being cautioned meant there could be no delaying as they couldn't take the restart until the referee was ready.
 
I can't help thinking there has been a directive to give out less cards, especially around SPA. In the Palace vs Everton game last night Anthony Taylor let of a lot of holding and pull backs go, that I'm sure he would normally have cautioned for, go with just free kicks awarded. I honestly thought he'd forgot his cards at one point. Simon Hooper was the same earlier, and now we're seeing the same with Peter Bankes on Spurs vs Man Utd. There was an absolute textbook SPA by Mazroui on Maddison but just a free kick given, and there have been several others that would normally have seen a card.
Think you could well be on to something here, and I’m all for more contact. But if it is the case, they can’t keep changing directives like this at random during the season.
 
Think you could well be on to something here, and I’m all for more contact. But if it is the case, they can’t keep changing directives like this at random during the season.
26 cautions over 10 games this weekend, 2.6 a game, that has to be a record low.

Totally agree there shouldn't be any change of directives during a season, but we know it has happened, such as with the constant lowering and raising of the VAR bar.
 
Peter Walton confirms your suspicions:

Directive for less fussy refereeing explains Ibrahima Konaté decision​


Referee Simon Hooper was right not to send off the Liverpool defender, despite protests from Wolverhampton Wanderers head coach Vítor Pereira​

Peter Walton
, former Premier League referee

Sunday February 16 2025, 8.00pm, The Times
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At the start of this season, Premier League referees were encouraged to raise the threshold for physical contact that should be considered a foul. It was only a subtle change, but it was intended to reflect the fact that English football is known all over the world for allowing more intense physical contests.

The feeling was that in recent seasons we’d become more continental in the way we refereed matches, and were losing a bit of what made our game special. It also meant matches were being broken up too easily, and players were encouraged to feign or exaggerate contact to win fouls. The benefit of raising the threshold is that matches flow better without interruption, and the crowd become more engaged with the drama of the game, and less agitated by over-fussy officiating and long VAR delays.

That directive was given to referees last summer, but it was reinforced at the start of January, and I have noticed in recent weeks a shift in the way matches are refereed. More contact is being allowed, and it is really helping the spectacle. In theory, the threshold for showing yellow cards should not have changed but because stronger challenges are being allowed in general, there has been a knock-on effect on the number of cards.

Referee showing Liverpool's Ibrahima Konate a yellow card.

Hooper showed Konaté a yellow card in the first half but opted against a second booking for the Liverpool defender before the break despite his robust challenge on Cunha
PHIL NOBLE/REUTERS
Between the start of the season and the end of 2024, there were 4.7 yellow cards per game; this calendar year, that average has dropped to 3.5. There were no yellow cards at all in the Fulham-Nottingham Forest game on Saturday.

I wonder if this shift partly explains why Liverpool’s Ibrahima Konaté was not shown a second yellow card — and therefore a red card — for his shoulder barge on Matheus Cunha of Wolverhampton Wanderers at Anfield on Sunday. It was clearly a foul, and of course some referees may have given a yellow card for it, but in this new climate I can see why Simon Hooper decided not to.

The failure to send off Konaté may have upset some fans — especially those who follow Liverpool’s title rivals — but I suspect if you asked those same fans if in principle they are in favour of English football being a more physical, undulating spectacle with fewer stoppages, they would say they are.

Pereira fumes as Slot admits: ‘I had to take Konaté off’​

Vitor Pereira, the Wolverhampton Wanderers head coach, took aim at the referee Simon Hooper and claimed he had erred by not sending off Ibrahima Konaté in the opening half of his side’s 2-1 defeat by Liverpool (Paul Joyce writes).

Four days after the Liverpool head coach, Arne Slot, had been incensed by the standard of refereeing in the Merseyside derby, Pereira said the Premier League leaders should have been reduced to ten men when Konaté barged into Matheus Cunha.

Liverpool v Wolverhampton Wanderers, Premier League, Football, Anfield, Liverpool, UK - 16 Feb 2025

Pereira was booked for his protests during the match
RYAN BROWNE/REX
The France centre back had already been booked but Hooper awarded only a free kick after the flashpoint, which came with Liverpool leading 2-0 late in the first half.

“I am not the referee but, yes, for me,” Pereira said when asked if Konaté should have seen red. “What I say now will not change anything but in my opinion the second yellow card should be shown.”

Pereira, who had already been shown a yellow card at that point after complaining about a number of decisions, added: “I don’t know why I was booked, maybe because I am emotional when I am competing.

“I am not watching a movie on the sofa. I am there to compete, we must understand the emotional side. I was trying to accept a lot of decisions today.”

Konaté did not reappear for the second half and Slot, who was charged with improper conduct by the FA after his red card in last week’s draw with Everton, admitted he had substituted the defender to avoid running the risk of another booking.

“Yes, I took him off because of that,” Slot said. “I saw him getting his first yellow — that for me was a soft yellow. If he had gotten his second one for a shoulder push, that would have again been a soft yellow so he would have been sent off for two soft yellows.

“I think the referee felt the same, that’s why he didn’t [book him again]. But I’ve watched football so many times in my life and I know that a player, and the referee, is then under pressure.

“For Ibou, it is so difficult to play 45 minutes of football against a strong Wolves team so I had to take him off because you can’t play football knowing in your head that you can’t make a foul against such good players as Wolves have.”
 
I’ve said it before and I’m sure I’ll say it again (Konate situation this time).

Being cautioned once does not mean the next infraction *is an automatic second caution*. Sometimes the foul is severe enough that it’s a nailed on caution.

Sometimes it’s more effective to warn a player and then everyone knows they’re on a tightrope. Fouls again? See ya! Best behaviour for the rest of the game? Good outcome.

It’s tiresome to see the same old thing trotted out.
 
I’ve said it before and I’m sure I’ll say it again (Konate situation this time).

Being cautioned once does not mean the next infraction *is an automatic second caution*. Sometimes the foul is severe enough that it’s a nailed on caution.

Sometimes it’s more effective to warn a player and then everyone knows they’re on a tightrope. Fouls again? See ya! Best behaviour for the rest of the game? Good outcome.

It’s tiresome to see the same old thing trotted out.
To clarify—I'm new here!—do you mean that: "the next infraction that would have received a first caution is not an automatic second caution"?
 
To clarify—I'm new here!—do you mean that: "the next infraction that would have received a first caution is not an automatic second caution"?
No I think he just means that a lot of people involved in football seem to think that as soon as a player who is on a yellow card commits a foul it should automatically be a second caution, but obviously that isn't the case.
 
No I think he just means that a lot of people involved in football seem to think that as soon as a player who is on a yellow card commits a foul it should automatically be a second caution, but obviously that isn't the case.
Okay thanks. Yeah I imagine that's sadly true, though I guess in practice the opposite is the case: There's a slightly higher threshold for a second yellow than the first?
 
Okay thanks. Yeah I imagine that's sadly true, though I guess in practice the opposite is the case: There's a slightly higher threshold for a second yellow than the first?
I'd say that's not an unfair comment. You want your second caution to be a 'nailed on caution' really, one that nobody can dispute, but obviously every situation is different.
 
I'd say that's not an unfair comment. You want your second caution to be a 'nailed on caution' really, one that nobody can dispute, but obviously every situation is different.
Right, and then there's also persistent infringement after a player's already been cautioned
 
Peter Walton confirms your suspicions:

Directive for less fussy refereeing explains Ibrahima Konaté decision​


Referee Simon Hooper was right not to send off the Liverpool defender, despite protests from Wolverhampton Wanderers head coach Vítor Pereira​

Peter Walton
, former Premier League referee

Sunday February 16 2025, 8.00pm, The Times
Share
At the start of this season, Premier League referees were encouraged to raise the threshold for physical contact that should be considered a foul. It was only a subtle change, but it was intended to reflect the fact that English football is known all over the world for allowing more intense physical contests.

The feeling was that in recent seasons we’d become more continental in the way we refereed matches, and were losing a bit of what made our game special. It also meant matches were being broken up too easily, and players were encouraged to feign or exaggerate contact to win fouls. The benefit of raising the threshold is that matches flow better without interruption, and the crowd become more engaged with the drama of the game, and less agitated by over-fussy officiating and long VAR delays.

That directive was given to referees last summer, but it was reinforced at the start of January, and I have noticed in recent weeks a shift in the way matches are refereed. More contact is being allowed, and it is really helping the spectacle. In theory, the threshold for showing yellow cards should not have changed but because stronger challenges are being allowed in general, there has been a knock-on effect on the number of cards.

Referee showing Liverpool's Ibrahima Konate a yellow card.'s Ibrahima Konate a yellow card.

Hooper showed Konaté a yellow card in the first half but opted against a second booking for the Liverpool defender before the break despite his robust challenge on Cunha
PHIL NOBLE/REUTERS
Between the start of the season and the end of 2024, there were 4.7 yellow cards per game; this calendar year, that average has dropped to 3.5. There were no yellow cards at all in the Fulham-Nottingham Forest game on Saturday.

I wonder if this shift partly explains why Liverpool’s Ibrahima Konaté was not shown a second yellow card — and therefore a red card — for his shoulder barge on Matheus Cunha of Wolverhampton Wanderers at Anfield on Sunday. It was clearly a foul, and of course some referees may have given a yellow card for it, but in this new climate I can see why Simon Hooper decided not to.

The failure to send off Konaté may have upset some fans — especially those who follow Liverpool’s title rivals — but I suspect if you asked those same fans if in principle they are in favour of English football being a more physical, undulating spectacle with fewer stoppages, they would say they are.

Pereira fumes as Slot admits: ‘I had to take Konaté off’​

Vitor Pereira, the Wolverhampton Wanderers head coach, took aim at the referee Simon Hooper and claimed he had erred by not sending off Ibrahima Konaté in the opening half of his side’s 2-1 defeat by Liverpool (Paul Joyce writes).

Four days after the Liverpool head coach, Arne Slot, had been incensed by the standard of refereeing in the Merseyside derby, Pereira said the Premier League leaders should have been reduced to ten men when Konaté barged into Matheus Cunha.

Liverpool v Wolverhampton Wanderers, Premier League, Football, Anfield, Liverpool, UK - 16 Feb 2025

Pereira was booked for his protests during the match
RYAN BROWNE/REX
The France centre back had already been booked but Hooper awarded only a free kick after the flashpoint, which came with Liverpool leading 2-0 late in the first half.

“I am not the referee but, yes, for me,” Pereira said when asked if Konaté should have seen red. “What I say now will not change anything but in my opinion the second yellow card should be shown.”

Pereira, who had already been shown a yellow card at that point after complaining about a number of decisions, added: “I don’t know why I was booked, maybe because I am emotional when I am competing.

“I am not watching a movie on the sofa. I am there to compete, we must understand the emotional side. I was trying to accept a lot of decisions today.”

Konaté did not reappear for the second half and Slot, who was charged with improper conduct by the FA after his red card in last week’s draw with Everton, admitted he had substituted the defender to avoid running the risk of another booking.

“Yes, I took him off because of that,” Slot said. “I saw him getting his first yellow — that for me was a soft yellow. If he had gotten his second one for a shoulder push, that would have again been a soft yellow so he would have been sent off for two soft yellows.

“I think the referee felt the same, that’s why he didn’t [book him again]. But I’ve watched football so many times in my life and I know that a player, and the referee, is then under pressure.

“For Ibou, it is so difficult to play 45 minutes of football against a strong Wolves team so I had to take him off because you can’t play football knowing in your head that you can’t make a foul against such good players as Wolves have.”
I meant a directive issued in the past week though, there were far too many obvious SPA cautions not given this weekend for it to be a coincidence.
 
Okay thanks. Yeah I imagine that's sadly true, though I guess in practice the opposite is the case: There's a slightly higher threshold for a second yellow than the first?
Howard Webb has openly said that on the Mic'd Up shows, referees have a higher tolerance level for potential second cautions.
 
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