Open Age sin bin with less than 10 minutes left.
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This might add too much complexity as the referee would have to calculate how much playing time is remaining and then presumably stick to that calculation. Also consider the case of a player-manager who would normally be able to continue coaching during their sin bin, it does not seem fair to prevent that.
I guess because they haven't actually been sent off. It's still only a temporary dismissal and can be treated as such, even though the outcome is that they won't return to the field of play (caveat for the extra-time, penalties).
The fun you could by sin binning a player in the 82nd minute, adding on 3 minutes, calling them back on just to blow the full time whistle 
I will add I wouldn't actually recommend doing this
I will add I wouldn't actually recommend doing this
Would be interested to know why you are against the sin bin
The simplification of the sin bin system has made it far easier to manage this year (the original system was terrible). I have found it to be a really useful tool to managing dissent, especially persistent or low level. Without the sin bin, teams would happily accumalate 2-3 bookings for dissent, but with the temporary dismissal system, dissent is definitely on the decline.
I like that it has an impact on the team and it is really easy to move a player through a stepped approach. Last weekend I had a lad who questioned every single decision I made, it was really satisfying to go:
1 warning
2 warning
Sin bin
Without the sin bin, I would've found it really hard to yellow card persistent dissent, or at least had to sell it a lot more convincingly. As it is written within the sin bin law, you don't really need to sell the punishment anymore.
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Agree with this. I had one game earlier this season where I had several players from one side questioning everything. After warning 2, it was very easy to go next ones a sin bin. I stuck with that threat, and it stopped almost instantly. Without sin bins it would have carried on.
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Let's say a player is on a caution. The coach/manager substitutes the cautioned player off. And we are doing limited subs (not return substitutes) so the player can't come back on.
Why is he not required to leave the vicinity and go back to the changing rooms?
If you can answer this question then you have answered your own question.
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I don’t really understand this. Why is it easier to give a sin bin (which makes a p,Ayer leave the game) than to just give a card for dissent? Is it because the sin bins created more of an expectation that dissent would actually be punished?
Exactly that last bit. Players know with a sin bin they are costing their team as they have to spend 10 mins a man down. That gives the opposition a potential advantage, whereas when it was just a simple caution they didn’t care, because all it was costing them was £12.
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Initial pushback against SB was that it increased the pressure on a Referee to issue that caution given the additional punishment. But now as dissent has largely fallen, and the expectations and acceptance of the SB process, the ‘vibe’ has definitely shifted in the direction of a Referee using the stepped approach / player running out of lives… and if they sod off and sit down for ten minutes, the match is now all the better for it.
Only had two this season, though. Maybe I just get everything right and am a super chill dude
Manager YCs though, I toss them out like confetti
Only had two this season, though. Maybe I just get everything right and am a super chill dude
Manager YCs though, I toss them out like confetti
If that fine came to me every time a manager was carded in one of my games (middles and lines) I’d be able to consider retiring before I start uni
Not sure it is in my experience.
I think it helps manage dissent overall. Now there's a warning of losing 10 minutes in the game as opposed to warning for a caution.
Warnings generally have a greater effect as the consequence now is more severe.
I think what @Gabriel was getting at that before a caution lacked the severity and so dissent would have continued and maybe more dissent cautions whereas he as warning and then following through killed the dissent off in the game.
That is exactly what I meant. @JamesL just worded it better!
Not against them, but for the reason stated here, it seems complicated remembering and timings etc if you are on your own.
I thought this as well, but if you are a user of RefSix, it is incredibly simple.
Even if you aren't, you write the time of the dismissal in your book or on your card.
And if both of those fail... you needn't worry, because the manager, bench, captain and offending player will all be in your ear for the whole 10 minutes about "how much longer left" and "that's 10 minutes ref".
On the latter one, I had a humourous conversation with a manager who insisted he had timed 10 minutes on his phone and was really keen to show me, insisting his player should be allowed on. I had to politely remind him that I was the sole time keeper of the game and asked had he accounted for the time his player required treatment... who was clearly trying to eat up time... oblivious that the watch had stopped, thus, delaying his teammates return.
Players sometimes see a caution for dissent as a badge of honour, especially if the club are paying the fine. Whereas with sin bins in place they don't want to miss out on playing, and warning a player who is getting on your nerves definitely has more of an effect with sin bins in operation.
I still haven't had a sin bin caution, granted a large part of which is because I've been injured for much of the past 4 seasons. But I've had situations that I am 100% wouldn't have ended in cautions for dissent had I not been able to tell the players they'd have been going off for 10 minutes if they didn't zip it.
One good change with the sin bin thus season is the fact the offending player now has to wait until the next stoppage in play before they can return to the game. Had one this weekend, spoke to a player who had been chirping most of the second half so he was basically told another word from him and he was leaving the game for 10 minutes. As he was walking away he was muttering to his teammate again about a decision that had gone against his team. So yellow card produced and he was invited to watch the next 10 minutes from the sidelines. During this period his team started to try and waste time thinking that they could shorten the playing time down until I pointed out that any lost time gets added so they stopped the time wasting. Gets to 9:50 on the sin bin clock (I use REFSIX) ball goes out for a corner to the team playing a man short, get the shouts from the side line that he had been off for 10 minutes but I told them that the period was not up yet, corner was taken and the defence then clear the ball and they counter attacked with the timer indicating that the 10mins had passed and they end up scoring what turned out to be the winner. With that being the next stoppage he was allowed back on. Needless to say they weren’t happy as he was one of the central defenders