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This is something I always covered in pre-match instructions. If there is a tight goal the absolute last thing you need is the AR flagging and then immediately legging it down the touchline once you have blown the whistle. Rather you want him flagging, you blow the whistle, and then when everyone inevitably looks over to him he is placed perfectly behind the flag (having quickly moved there if necessary), then he can set off.
Trust me, and I've been there, there is nothing worse than blowing for a goal given by your AR then when everyone looks at him he is 15 to 20 metres from the goal line, it really doesn't end well.
But in terms of the flag, then yes it should be with the left hand so that you avoid it being confused for an offside flag.
Trust me, and I've been there, there is nothing worse than blowing for a goal given by your AR then when everyone looks at him he is 15 to 20 metres from the goal line, it really doesn't end well.
But in terms of the flag, then yes it should be with the left hand so that you avoid it being confused for an offside flag.
This is excatly what I did the other day but told I was wrong
Told you were wrong in what way?
higdawgy
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To be honest, I prefer my assistant to flag and then subtly point towards halfway with their other hand.
Players look across and see the assistant with their flag raised on the goal line when you signal for a goal.
It makes it easier with comms as well that they can be telling you it's a goal at the same time.
Players look across and see the assistant with their flag raised on the goal line when you signal for a goal.
It makes it easier with comms as well that they can be telling you it's a goal at the same time.
I was told to stand on the goal line flag in air wsit got him to come over to me
ChasObserverRefDeveloper
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If the referee doesn't cover the point in the pre-match briefing . . . ASK!
Thought so, thanks
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the "suggested" process here.
The AR assists, not insists - if the ref has good reason not to allow the goal (has a better angle and doesn't believe it crosses the line, or attacking foul/HB in the build-up), the last thing you want is the AR just running away from the key area. And as @RustyRef astutely points out, nothing is better for selling a tight goal/no-goal decision than an AR stood exactly in line with a flag up.
The AR assists, not insists - if the ref has good reason not to allow the goal (has a better angle and doesn't believe it crosses the line, or attacking foul/HB in the build-up), the last thing you want is the AR just running away from the key area. And as @RustyRef astutely points out, nothing is better for selling a tight goal/no-goal decision than an AR stood exactly in line with a flag up.
That's what the eye contact bit is for. You don't just run off, there's a non verbal agreement or possibly verbal agreement or disagreement before you head off.
And as an AR, timing the signal for a goal, as in having that pause where everyone will look at you before giving the confirmatory 25-metre sprint.
One or two referees that I've lined for on FA Cup/Vase duties this season have specifically mentioned this potential event - ie. booted/saved off the line or the ball coming down off the crossbar, but most haven't. 
On the occasions where they do, my stock response is: "Listen Bob/Dave/John etc. If there's any doubt about whether or not it's a goal, then trust me, unless I'm actually on that goal line at the time, I ain't signalling for it!!"
Note to self: remember to include this issue in my own future pre-match briefs ...
On the occasions where they do, my stock response is: "Listen Bob/Dave/John etc. If there's any doubt about whether or not it's a goal, then trust me, unless I'm actually on that goal line at the time, I ain't signalling for it!!"
Note to self: remember to include this issue in my own future pre-match briefs ...
santa sangria
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Hmm… ball over goal line… it’s right hand flag up surely… I thought that was the global standard… is this thread saying that in the UK ARs are taught to signal a narrow goal with a left arm flag, really?
Yes, because a flag up in the right hand is the signal for offside, so could cause confusion.
But we’re ok with the ‘cutting the grass’ signal for non penalties which I’ve heard in many pre matches? It might be worth considering that these ‘exhaustive pre match’ chats may be a bit long for you liking, but are of benefit to the referee doing them to help them
santa sangria
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Interesting, but technically the arm up is NOT the signal for OS, but as the first part of the signal, the arm up is really the signal the AR thinks play should stop, and the flag across the field is the signal that the reason is OS—but I get what you mean In terms of expectations, and a subtle signal that it isn’t OS is a nice idea. ive never heard it taught that way in the US.
Another argument for using the left is the restart is a KO for the defending team, just as we go up with the left for a foul on the attacking team or what will be a TI for the defending team (if an out flag is required before a direction on a close play).
(while I’m tempted to use this in my pregame with ARs, I can’t imagine many would remember in the heat of the moment on something that rarely happens)