West Brom vs Cardiff
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As usual, it's hard to tell if the player was trying to cheat the Ref into giving a PK
The proper highlights are not out yet
There needs to be… sets a shocking example to grassroots.
I saw this on sky sports. I cannot for the life of me understand why the referee hasn’t pulled a card out on the manager. To prevent it from escalating maybe? But if a manager is on the pitch having to be held back by players, then that quite simply has to be a red card
Yes. Refs need to start dealing with this at the pro level. The laws specifically list a person from the bench area entering the field to dissent the referee as a straight red.
Russell Jones
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I agree that referees at all levels need to start to more vigorously apply the sanctions now specified for various team official offences.
Being pedantic on your point, the specific phrase used in the LOTG is that a team official who confronts the referee on the FOP at HT / FT is given a straight red. This is obviously easier to do at HT (when they shouldn't be there at all) than at FT where it's accepted practice that they're going to be there, so their actions need to be more obviously confrontational. Dissent by a team official, which you'd more commonly expect during the game, is a Yellow Card offence.
ladbroke8745
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Agree with what's said about manager...
But for me that's a pen based solely on that angle.
But for me that's a pen based solely on that angle.
There's also this one for a sendoff
deliberately leaving the technical area to:
show dissent towards, or remonstrate with, a match official
act in a provocative or inflammatory manner
RefIADad
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Based on just that video (which admittedly was not of the highest quality), I just do not see how that is not a penalty. If I'm missing something, I'll hold my hand up, but I sure saw a pretty obvious hold/pull.
But that being said, you just cannot charge from the technical area as a coach to confront the referee to the point where multiple people are holding you back. As a referee, you CANNOT allow that to happen without a red card. That could have been very, very ugly. That needs to be more than just your standard one-match suspension for a technical staff red card. I'd have that more like a three-game VC or SFP suspension.
Russell Jones
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Might be wrong but I think those ones are designed for during the game rather than at HT / FT. For me, dissent on the FOP at FT would be a Yellow Card offence but if it escalates to confrontation then it becomes Red
The only mention of HT/FT is under confronting a match official, but I don't see how any of the other ones are limited to during play (I guess besides delaying the restart of play).
Russell Jones
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The section you originally quoted starts with the phrase 'Deliberately leaving the technical area'. It is fully expected that the team officials will do just this at HT/FT on their way to the dressing room, whereas they are not allowed to do so during the game. Hence it's logical to infer that this section relates to the '90 mins' and is largely designed for those situations where managers choose to leave their technical area to get in the face of the 4th Official or senior AR to vent their annoyance at somethingThe only mention of HT/FT is under confronting a match official, but I don't see how any of the other ones are limited to during play (I guess besides delaying the restart of play).
In reality, the dividing line between 'dissent' and 'confrontation' is a blurry one. However, at HT or FT I'd want the manager's actions to be clearly confrontational (and hence obvious to all in the ground) before going red, whereas them dissenting is more sensibly handled with a lesser sanction.
PinnerPaul
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A *** fan writes, "WBA losing two of their best players for 3 games is no problem to me" 
Edit for balance and from a referee's perspective, the Mowatt red card is obviously correct, highlights I saw don't show any actual blows traded between Johnstone and Flint but those could easily be missed and players being idiots after the final whistle don't really have much to complain about.
Edit for balance and from a referee's perspective, the Mowatt red card is obviously correct, highlights I saw don't show any actual blows traded between Johnstone and Flint but those could easily be missed and players being idiots after the final whistle don't really have much to complain about.
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PinnerPaul
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Tend to agree, although for balance the WBA goal looks offside based on that one (not ideal) angle.
RefIADad
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In my mind at least, the law is has three very explicit ways this should be a send off:
1) Deliberately leaving the technical area to dissent/remonstrate
2) (In the same section as 1) ) - Act in a provocative or inflammatory manner
3) Entering the field of play to confront a match official (INCLUDING AT HALFTIME OR FULL TIME - emphasis is mine)
It's almost as if the law writers are saying, "here - just in case you don't get it the first time, here are two more ways to communicate that you are to send a technical staff member off if he/she approaches you to argue about a call."