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From the Football Supporter's Assoc - a VAR fan survey - via F365 they’d appreciate your time by filling it in here.
I can picture comical scenes as a 'Referee' tries to explain the HB or Offside Law over a tannoy to drunken primates who are solely interested in getting the decision in their favour or where their next pint or fag is coming from
I don't mean explain the full law. There does need to be some sort of communication though, even something like "no7 was found to be offside in the immediate build-up, therefore the goal has been disallowed" or "No12 was originally cautioned for committing a reckless tackle but on review, this has been upgraded to a red card for use of excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent". Simple and to the point.I can picture comical scenes as a 'Referee' tries to explain the HB or Offside Law over a tannoy to drunken primates who are solely interested in getting the decision in their favour or where their next pint or fag is coming from
Certainly agree with that, as long as people keep tuning in, that's all that matters to the powers that be. It doesn't help that match going supporters, who are actually an integral part of the so called "product" in creating atmospheres and conditions in stadiums, are all often too tribal to work together effectively to make a real visible difference via collective action.Fan surveys are pointless really. From what I know a simple yes/no survey to "I want VAR to stay" would get a similar fan 'no' response to what FIFA thinks of VAR accuracy (99.7%). But VAR would stay. Football is not about the fans anymore, it's about money. They pretend they care about the fans because most of the money comes from them but VAR has not had a visible impact on the money flow.
We're not American!Similar happens already in other sports, mainly American
Again, it's this arrogance that's constantly held football back. We referee in one of the last major sports in the world to introduce a review system - and instead of taking advantage of that fact and using the lessons learnt by other sports, we insist on coming up with our own brand new system because "football is special" and then have to go through the same inevitable teething problems that all other sports have already done for us and that we could easily have skipped.We're not American!
Broadly speaking, I think it all comes back to the idea that FIFA doesn't trust it's officials to be able to explain themselves properly. When a rugby official chooses to go to the TMO, the images are broadcast in the stadium, and the audio between referee and TMO is broadcast on TV. And they can do that, because rubgy trusts it's officials to make sensible decisions that line up with what's seen on the screen, and to not make a complete mess of expressing that decision on the TV audio.Well, IFAB already borrowed cautioning coaches and team officials from US high schools . . . .
I do find the British anti-American thing in soccer a bit tedious. I particularly love the Brits who mock Americans for saying soccer in stead of football without realizing the term soccer is British in origin . . . .
My view: who cares where an idea came from discuss the idea on the merits not with silliness about origins. On the merits here, I'm a bit ambivalent. The history of the game is we just move on with what happens next--which is why we don't even signal fouls, we just signal the FK to take place. (Mercifully IFAB did not borrow from US high schools the idea of having referees signal what ever foul is.) At the same time, as the world gets more info driven, and so many more are watching on TV than in stadia these days, it seems pretty easy to let the fourth tell the TV folks (who are providing the feeds he's relying on) what was reviewed and what the decision was. And if it's going to the TV, why not to the stadium too. Definitely not an elaborate explanation, but "the referee held up the game because the VAR advised the check was continuing on whether there was a missed penalty." Indeed, if proper language was used it could enhance fans' understanding of what VAR does and doesn't do.
Agreed. I think it's a product of:Broadly speaking, I think it all comes back to the idea that FIFA doesn't trust it's officials to be able to explain themselves properly. When a rugby official chooses to go to the TMO, the images are broadcast in the stadium, and the audio between referee and TMO is broadcast on TV. And they can do that, because rubgy trusts it's officials to make sensible decisions that line up with what's seen on the screen, and to not make a complete mess of expressing that decision on the TV audio.
For whatever reason, rightly or wrongly, football doesn't trust it's officials. They don't trust them to make the right decisions so the images can't be seen in the stadium and we have to waste time jogging over to a hidden monitor so the mistakes can't possibly be noticed by anyone else in the ground. And they assume that if the discussion between referee and VAR is heard live, it will be full of contradictions and mistakes. Is that a fair set of assumptions? And if so, is that the fault of the officials or the fault of poorly written and inconsistent laws?
I subsequently knew this comment would be misunderstoodWe're not American!
My intent was to indicate how different things are WRT football, this side of the pond. Over the last two decades, I've mostly attended away games. Granted, away support is much more partisan, but the state of the Newcastle fans is jaw-dropping. Completely rat-arsed for midday KOs, language that is off the scale and all-round behaviour that is insane. I watch a lot of football in the pub; and it's not much different there. The TVs are solely their as a target for obscenity. The Ref is simply wrong, unless the decision is in favour. Any explanation does nothing more that further agitate the flakI do find the British anti-American thing in soccer a bit tedious
The answer is much less than your guess. 'it' is not what most leagues have put in place. 'it' for me is what FIFA had in the world cup with dedicatedly positioned cameras, high res and super fast cameras specifically used for VAR. And even that had room for improvement."...by the leagues" tho... which leagues can actually afford it?
Moms with iphones on the touchline?Now FIFA wants to introduce a low cost version.