Had an incident today where blue player commits reckless tackle on red, both square up to each other. I caution blue for the tackle and red for his reaction, but the blue captain is adamant that I should have shown yellow, yellow red to the blue player (for tackle, and then for his part in the square-up). But I thought that we can't do this, as the idea of a caution is to warn a player, so it doesn't make sense to essentially send a player off for ignoring a warning you haven't yet given him. Anyway, I explained this to the captain afterwards and he seemed to understand, but I'm not sure about it myself!
Second yellow?
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Wellllllll, if a player commits two cautionable offences before you've administered the first you can dismiss them for 2Y. Think if you've played a brilliant advantage and will go back to caution the offender, but before the ball goes out of play he commits another reckless challenge, you're perfectly in your rights to go yellow-yellow-red. (In this instance, communication and preventative refereeing would be a training point, etc)
HOWEVER, I'd say you dealt with it just fine. Pair of yellows. Foul and reaction to it, you man-managed the rest!
HOWEVER, I'd say you dealt with it just fine. Pair of yellows. Foul and reaction to it, you man-managed the rest!
MattyontheWhistle
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Yup, sounds like you got that one right.
If I play advantage on a cautionable challenge, I usually make sure the offender knows I've got it in my sights.
I'll often call advantage, then point to the challenge and say "I'll have that one #6" or even "that one's in the book fella" something similar. That way the player has been cautioned in a sense, and anything he does after that is a second offence.
Never had an issue with it, except once when I'd said that, play went on....and on....and on......eventually stopping for a corner at other end of the FOP, ball had sailed miles away over the bar. The player who I was going to book went off to retrieve the ball, jogged off, had to climb a small tree to shake it loose, jogged back, placed the ball ion the ball in the quadrant and took a quick one short. He hadn't actually re-entered the FOP yet, so I had to blow up, pull it back to the corner and issue the card. I had made my notes of course while the player was up the tree!
Also, there was an appeal against a card (another referee) by a player sent-off for 2nd bookable. Ref had issued first yellow then 20 minutes later player commits another offence. Ref takes name, notes down properly in book, then pulls out red card, shows it and walks away. Realising what he has done, he turns around calls the player (who is now near the touchline) to turn around, and shows the second yellow.
In your example I am interested that you write the BLUE captain was arguing that you should have shown 2nd Y to his own player.
We are told that the caution happens as soon as you tell the player - and that the card is to notify everyone else.
If I play advantage on a cautionable challenge, I usually make sure the offender knows I've got it in my sights.
I'll often call advantage, then point to the challenge and say "I'll have that one #6" or even "that one's in the book fella" something similar. That way the player has been cautioned in a sense, and anything he does after that is a second offence.
Never had an issue with it, except once when I'd said that, play went on....and on....and on......eventually stopping for a corner at other end of the FOP, ball had sailed miles away over the bar. The player who I was going to book went off to retrieve the ball, jogged off, had to climb a small tree to shake it loose, jogged back, placed the ball ion the ball in the quadrant and took a quick one short. He hadn't actually re-entered the FOP yet, so I had to blow up, pull it back to the corner and issue the card. I had made my notes of course while the player was up the tree!
Also, there was an appeal against a card (another referee) by a player sent-off for 2nd bookable. Ref had issued first yellow then 20 minutes later player commits another offence. Ref takes name, notes down properly in book, then pulls out red card, shows it and walks away. Realising what he has done, he turns around calls the player (who is now near the touchline) to turn around, and shows the second yellow.
In your example I am interested that you write the BLUE captain was arguing that you should have shown 2nd Y to his own player.
We are told that the caution happens as soon as you tell the player - and that the card is to notify everyone else.
MattyontheWhistle
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LOL...thought that may be the case
Just say the cautions are both for the squaring up. It does seem fundamentally unfair to caution a player for squaring up to his opponent but not to caution his opponent for it.