remove player from the field of play

[callmemyref]

stops play if a player is seriously injured and ensures that the player is
removed from the field of play.

If we stop a play, do we always have to make the player leave the FOP?

 

[JamesL]

stops play if a player is seriously injured and ensures that the player is
removed from the field of play.

If we stop a play, do we always have to make the player leave the FOP?

If the injury is as a result of a foul, and the referee cautions, or sends off the offender, so long as treatment is completed quickly, then the player may remain on the FOP.

In the back of the book it says quickly is around 20-25 seconds from the point at which everyone would have been ready to start (or similar to that effect).

 

[Kes]

If the injury is as a result of a foul, and the referee cautions, or sends off the offender, so long as treatment is completed quickly, then the player may remain on the FOP.

In the back of the book it says quickly is around 20-25 seconds from the point at which everyone would have been ready to start (or similar to that effect).

Yep.

So (going by the LOTG) basically never then!! (stays on the FOP I mean)

 

[one]

stops play if a player is seriously injured and ensures that the player is
removed from the field of play.

If we stop a play, do we always have to make the player leave the FOP?

Yes but there is a list of 6 exceptions in the book below where you got that quote in law 5. I suggest you familiarise yourself with those so that you don't make a player leave the field when don't have to leave.

 

[JamesL]

Yes but there is a list of 6 exceptions in the book below where you got that quote in law 5. I suggest you familiarise yourself with those so that you don't make a player leave the field when don't have to leave.

Yes and of course the other exceptions

Yep.

So (going by the LOTG) basically never then!! (stays on the FOP I mean)

Just got to box clever and take as long as you can over the caution. Also tell them it needs to be quick or they have to leave.

 

[Russell Jones]

stops play if a player is seriously injured and ensures that the player is
removed from the field of play.

If we stop a play, do we always have to make the player leave the FOP?

If we are stopping ongoing play (ie the injury was not caused by a foul) for a single player, non GK issue then, by definition, we believe the injury to be serious. Personally, in those circumstances, I'd be waving the trainer onto the field without even asking the player first and thus, once assessed, they must leave the FOP

 

[socal lurker]

I've had a coach or two in youth games try to refuse to come onto the field to check on the player on the theory that if they ignored by summon on the field, the player could stay in.

 

[Kes]

Yes but there is a list of 6 exceptions in the book below where you got that quote in law 5. I suggest you familiarise yourself with those so that you don't make a player leave the field when don't have to leave.

I suppose the point I was trying to make in response to @JamesL post (although not very well ) was that the on field treatment of any injury is always going to take more than say, 45 seconds and so effectively the notion of "treated quickly" is a moot one so-to-speak because as per the LOTG, he has to leave the FOP anyway?

 

[Peter Grove]

I suppose the point I was trying to make in response to @JamesL post (although not very well ) was that the on field treatment of any injury is always going to take more than say, 45 seconds and so effectively the notion of "treated quickly" is a moot one so-to-speak because as per the LOTG, he has to leave the FOP anyway?

Except that it isn't counted from the moment play stopped, it's from:

the point when everyone was ready for play to restart.

I've seen a number of cases where the player was allowed to stay on after treatment for an injury where the opponent was cautioned, so I don't think it is a moot point. For instance, there were a couple of examples in the recent Women's Olympic Football tournament.

 

[Kes]

Except that it isn't counted from the moment play stopped, it's from:

Yes, but what does that even mean?

Like you, I've seen games where the caution followed the foul and the injured/treated player was allowed to remain on the field but it wasn't over "quickly".

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

Yes, but what does that even mean?

Like you, I've seen games where the caution followed the foul and the injured/treated player was allowed to remain on the field but it wasn't over "quickly".

Once the caution has been issued and the referee is ready for the free kick to be taken (or would be if the physio had left by then) any delay beyond 25 seconds means the injured player has to leave the field - happened yesterday in a game where I was the observer, it was a minute or so before the physio finished, so the player had to leave.

 

[Big Cat]

Waste of time Law anyway. The moment the Ref restarts the game, the player is waved back on (as seen on TV)

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

Waste of time Law anyway. The moment the Ref restarts the game, the player is waved back on (as seen on TV)

Not really a waste of time, as if the player can resume quickly after the yellow or red card, that seems fair.
After all, he may be the specialist free kick taker . . .

 

[Peter Grove]

Not really a waste of time, as if the player can resume quickly after the yellow or red card, that seems fair.
After all, he may be the specialist free kick taker . . .

I actually think it's a law that isn't used as often as it should be. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen players up and ready to continue almost immediately (and certainly less than 25 seconds) after everyone was ready for the kick to be taken, and the ref made them leave the field anyway.

 

[one]

This is one law which referees, over the years, have lost sight of the intent and just follow the letter of the law.

This is a law to allow referees some control over players taking advantage of the fact referees give health and safety priority over everything else. Some players use it to waste time. Referees can use their judgement here. If I know the player is faking it he is going off and staying off longer than he and his team want him to.

 

[JamesL]

If I know the player is faking

Sorry but we aren't qualified to say whether that is the case or not.
Even if we are we haven't done the necessary assessment to determine it either.
The intent of the law was so that players that are injured as a result of a Physical offence worthy of a caution or send off don't have to leave the field, nothing more.

 

[one]

The intent of the law was so that players that are injured as a result of a Physical offence worthy of a caution or send off don't have to leave the field, nothing more.

I was talking about the original law of player having to leave the field of play (the sanction exception was introduced later.

Sorry but we aren't qualified to say whether that is the case or not.

Yet we are qualified to judge a simulation. Oh wait, isn't that another way of saying if a player is faking something?

I must add, I don't always 'know' it. If I have doubt, the player gets the benefit.

 

[JamesL]

I was talking about the original law of player having to leave the field of play (the sanction exception was introduced later.



Yet we are qualified to judge a simulation. Oh wait, isn't that another way of saying if a player is faking something?

I must add, I don't always 'know' it. If I have doubt, the player gets the benefit.

Simulation vs Injury following physical offence are very different.

For simulation was have to be pretty darn sure that there was an attempt to deceive the referee. This is obviously much easier if as the referee we can see there was zero contact and a foul simulated.

If you have awarded a DFK for a physical offence, its likely you have seen contact, and contact enough to say the challenge was reckless or indeed SFP/VC.

Apples and oranges, really.

 

[one]

Simulation vs Injury following physical offence are very different.

For simulation was have to be pretty darn sure that there was an attempt to deceive the referee. This is obviously much easier if as the referee we can see there was zero contact and a foul simulated.

If you have awarded a DFK for a physical offence, its likely you have seen contact, and contact enough to say the challenge was reckless or indeed SFP/VC.

Apples and oranges, really.

You are going in a completely different direction to I. Read the definition of simulation in law. You are taking just one instance. I have caution for simulation plenty times after contact.

The law requires you to be able to tell if a player is feigning injury, whether qualified or not. Sometimes it's to deceive you to make a decision (sanctions) sometimes it's making it look worse than what it is to just to waste time.

 

[JamesL]

You are going in a completely different direction to I. Read the definition of simulation in law. You are taking just one instance. I have caution for simulation plenty times after contact.

The law requires you to be able to tell if a player is feigning injury, whether qualified or not. Sometimes it's to deceive you to make a decision (sanctions) sometimes it's making it look worse than what it is to just to waste time.

I don't disagree, I know what the law but its a lot easier when obvious.
But if you have already been deceived into a caution we are a step ahead from that point. If you are saying to a player, do you need treatment/assessment I assume we are already at the point where we believe they are potentially injured.
Assuming, without proper knowledge or assessment that a player is feigning injury, after being on the receiving end of a challenge that endangered their safety or had disregard to the consequences for them, is a pretty dangerous game.

Yes, there will be grey ones, eg careless but SPA where the law about stopping on is applicable and I know its not a catch all and there will be edge cases, of course. But as a general rule, we only have our eyes to inform us, and that is not enough, medically, to determine if a player is injured enough to enforce the stay on the field rule.

I think I have only seen a player in the top levels once booked for feigning/embellishing injury which was Messi after being hit by a bottle.

I would add also, at most proper grassroots, its a bloke with a bucket and sponge with no first aid training so perhaps I am looking at this from the level I generally operate at where there are, mostly, proper physios.