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Promotion and 6-5 6-4

Sheff Ref

Sheff Ref

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Hi all,

I am just wanting to understand the differences between going 6 to 5 and 6 to 4.
Also, generally what are the realistic differences between being a level 5 and a level 4.

Nothing like learning from the experience of others :)

Thanks in advance for your responses and I wish a merry Christmas and happy new year to all!
 
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In my county you can quite easily referee in level 12 of the pyramid as a level 7, 6 or 5. I haven't moved at all from where I was as a L7.
Once promoted to L4 you referee on level 11 (at least) of the pyramid and will have your own ARs every week.
Different in every CFA I would imagine.
I couldn't even get adult football as a L6 when I refereed in your county ShefRef.
 
Sheff Ref said:
Hi all,

I am just wanting to understand the differences between going 6 to 5 and 6 to 4.
Also, generally what are the realistic differences between being a level 5 and a level 4.

Nothing like learning from the experience of others :)

Thanks in advance for your responses and I wish a merry Christmas and happy new year to all!
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I couldn't be more against the 6-4 double jump. I did and it's the biggest mistake I ever made!
That extra year refereeing at Step 6 (football pyramid below FL) and lining at Step 5 is a key part of the development. There is no rush, that extra year is easily made up later on.
 
Sheff Ref said:
Hi all,

I am just wanting to understand the differences between going 6 to 5 and 6 to 4.
Also, generally what are the realistic differences between being a level 5 and a level 4.
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Moving to L4 puts you in the middle of a supply league. Depending what leagues you are assigned to, the range of football can be hugh. Also, you would require to act as AR on a contrib league. You will normally due 2 AR a month (possibly mid week) and referee at other times.

As a L4 you would get assessed on 4 or 5 of your middles in the season. And have to pass the fitness test before promotion.

L4 means a commitment to football. It is rewarding but can be demanding.
 
DanCohen17 said:
That extra year refereeing at Step 6 (football pyramid below FL) and lining at Step 5 is a key part of the development..
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Step 6 refereeing as a L5?
I've never even ran a line in Step 6?
Obviously I'm not as good as I thought I was :cry:
 
deusex said:
Step 6 refereeing as a L5?
I've never even ran a line in Step 6?
Obviously I'm not as good as I thought I was :cry:
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Depends what leagues you are involved in. Supply leagues are Step 5 and you're required to line minimum of 5 games in 5-4 promotion scheme.
In addition, to go for 5-4, you need to be refereeing one step below with NAR's. Get involved in your local Supply league by speaking to the ref sec of the league!

@lincs22, not quite true at the moment due to the shortage of L4's. Over the course of a month, L4's are far more likely to do considerably more lines than middles.
The L4 middle requirements (in order to successfully gain promotion to L3) are a minimum of 10 games, with a minimum of 5 assessed (this varies in the country depending on County availability). The FA have first call on all L4's for their fixtures (Contrib, u21 & u18) before Supply League.
 
In York, the same league operates with its Prem Div being the supply league. Going for 5-4 promotion will be done without NAR's.

Dan, I was trying to explain what was the expected. With the need for L4 for contributed and closed dates, it is likely to be only 1 middle a month.
 
DanCohen17 said:
Depends what leagues you are involved in. Supply leagues are Step 5 and you're required to line minimum of 5 games in 5-4 promotion scheme.
In addition, to go for 5-4, you need to be refereeing one step below with NAR's. Get involved in your local Supply league by speaking to the ref sec of the league!

@lincs22, not quite true at the moment due to the shortage of L4's. Over the course of a month, L4's are far more likely to do considerably more lines than middles.
The L4 middle requirements (in order to successfully gain promotion to L3) are a minimum of 10 games, with a minimum of 5 assessed (this varies in the country depending on County availability). The FA have first call on all L4's for their fixtures (Contrib, u21 & u18) before Supply League.
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Dan, the Supply League primarily based in my County is Step 7. The NCEL, where Howard Webb made his Supply League debut is a Step 6 at Supply and Step 5 at Contrib.
 
Brian Hamilton said:
Dan, the Supply League primarily based in my County is Step 7. The NCEL, where Howard Webb made his Supply League debut is a Step 6 at Supply and Step 5 at Contrib.
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Think that's a lot more common up North from what I heard from officials & those in charge. Can only talk about my experiences as L4 (in London) and the games I did while up North (one in Leeds & one in Manchester)
 
I think it has to be your decision, I've done it this season and by all accounts it has been a successful season. The one thing I will say is that you must feel 100% ready for it, any lingering doubts and I'd avoid it. It is a massive step up from L6 standard!
 
I once met a level 3 referee who did a triple jump! 7-4.

He admits he shouldn't have done it. In fact, I don't think any county does it now.

And I would certainly agree with him! Triple jump is far too much. Double jump? Completely possible and many have done it.
 
I know someone who did a triple from 7-4 and he was lucky to survive it. I regularly see those who have gone 6-4 and they are very often way out of their depth. One step at a time. After all those that are being pushed along this path often have 30 years refereeing in front of them, so what's the rush?
 
Brian Hamilton said:
I know someone who did a triple from 7-4 and he was lucky to survive it. I regularly see those who have gone 6-4 and they are very often way out of their depth. One step at a time. After all those that are being pushed along this path often have 30 years refereeing in front of them, so what's the rush?
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It's the yoof of today.....they want everything right now....
 
Cheers Brian, obviously I want to be the best I can be and reach as higher level as possible but I know it's not going to be given to me on a plate. I'm still young and inexperienced so I've got to put a lot of work in to get there.
 
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