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mikedn

mikedn

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Its a wonder that players continue to get away with and keep giving dissent to referees. Was AR in a match today and one of the home players was giving the ref some grief, and all he done .....4 times...... was to give him verbal warnings.... the player was shouting at him and even swore at him. And the ref said at final whistle " don't see the need for a card with only a minute left, can't be asked with the paperwork"
Also only had one watch, didn't even see him produce a notebook to record the goals...........:-(....... Very disappointed to see this, even totally ignored all the abuse he was getting from the touchline from both set of teams and supporters.
 
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That's why he has AR's, to record the goals for him :) I record mine via my watch, maybe he done the same?
 
Yeah, really annoying when you have some referees who let so much go and/or don't give the AR's enough respect to think dissent against them is serious.
I was on the line at a local high level men's match, keeper turns and screams at me to 'open your f***** eyes' while pointing at his eyes as well.
Nothing but a warning.
 
If it was dissent towards the assistant that he let go I'd be worried, but I wouldn't lose sleep about him letting dissent against himself go. You protect your assistants at all costs, even if what is said to them is within your normal tolerance levels.
 
Going off on a bit of a tangent, what should you record as a ref?

Goals, obviously, but do I need to note the time it's scored?

Red & Yellow cards: name, number, time, offence.

Subs: number of player on, number of player off. What about rolling subs at Youth level? I just make sure a player has gone off before one comes on.

I must admit to feeling a bit rushed with all the "paperwork" with subs & cards with everyone wanting to get on with the game whilst I'm still faffing with the admin.

I always make a note of who kicks off the first half, just so I know who starts the second half.

What is a complete match record - that's the second time I've heard it mentioned this week. (Other was when I was one of two NAR, the ref asked the other Lino (much more experienced than me) to do one.)
 
RefJef said:
Going off on a bit of a tangent, what should you record as a ref?

Goals, obviously, but do I need to note the time it's scored?

Red & Yellow cards: name, number, time, offence.

Subs: number of player on, number of player off. What about rolling subs at Youth level? I just make sure a player has gone off before one comes on.

I must admit to feeling a bit rushed with all the "paperwork" with subs & cards with everyone wanting to get on with the game whilst I'm still faffing with the admin.

I always make a note of who kicks off the first half, just so I know who starts the second half.

What is a complete match record - that's the second time I've heard it mentioned this week. (Other was when I was one of two NAR, the ref asked the other Lino (much more experienced than me) to do one.)
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The only mandatory things to record are things that the league/relevant FA require you to report.

So goals obviously - no league I've worked on so far has required any more than a total, so that's all I record. Also obviously, cautions/dismissals. Always name/number and offence, one league I work on also wants to know if the players have been warned (I don't actually record this, just do my report as soon as I get home and go from memory) and time of offence (I've started trying to record this more generally as it feels like good practice).

Subs are trickier and arguments have been had on this forum recently. Again, I tend to go by the rule of "record what you will have to report". So where I'm given team sheets and subs are "permanent", I'll record the name/number pre-match, then record the number of the player they replace and check their name/number match. I did a county cup match this weekend where I'm required to report which subs are used, but roll-on-roll-off applies - so again, check name/number match and tick them off when they first come on. In a match with no team sheets, no reporting requirements and full roll-on/roll-off, I don't feel it's necessary to record anything - as I alluded to earlier, others on this forum have disagreed recently.

A "full match record" is essentially asking an AR to mimic what a solo referee would record as close as is reasonably possible. Obviously it's not reasonable to expect the AR to record names of cautioned players (just shirt number and maybe a guess at the offence), but simultaneously, it's usually left entirely to the bench-side AR to record all substitution details - the referee won't get involved unless called over by the AR.
 
RefJef said:
Going off on a bit of a tangent, what should you record as a ref?

Goals, obviously, but do I need to note the time it's scored?

Red & Yellow cards: name, number, time, offence.

What i record :
a) goals
b) who takes k.o.
c) captain's shirt number
d) team colours
e) cautions/ sendings off : name, shirt number, time of offence & code

Never bothered with recording substitutions, immaterial now anyway with roll on/off now in force. Even if i got proper AR's i'd still do it all myself


Subs: number of player on, number of player off. What about rolling subs at Youth level? I just make sure a player has gone off before one comes on.

I must admit to feeling a bit rushed with all the "paperwork" with subs & cards with everyone wanting to get on with the game whilst I'm still faffing with the admin.

I always make a note of who kicks off the first half, just so I know who starts the second half.

What is a complete match record - that's the second time I've heard it mentioned this week. (Other was when I was one of two NAR, the ref asked the other Lino (much more experienced than me) to do one.)
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I like to note the captain's number...
But aside from that - echoing above, some league require you to record the goalscored and goal time, so record it if so - otherwise just the fact that a goal was scored
Time of cards, yes.
Rolling subs - you don't need to record any subs. Proper subs, yes, need to record the numbers and usually the time, but that one depends on what the league requires.

Full match record - as above. Record everything you would if you were the ref. But also, if you see the ref and the other AR have their heads down writing, then wait until one has finished so you can scan the field for problems. Ref should give instructions 'near AR record first', or something like that, but many don't.
 
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