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The 4th gave it some very animated crabbing and did a lot of “trying way too hard” crouching. But no harm done. Hope he is OK.
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Regarding the first quote, to be totally fair when was the last time Darren Bond ran a line for a game? I can't imagine he was totally comfortable on the line.
For the second quote, is it possible that Hussin knew he was done and that any sort of attempts at treatment would be fruitless? While I agree that physios would generally try to treat an official if they were hurt (and I've seen this in MLS games a couple of times over the last couple of years as well as twice in the Copa America), sometimes you "just know".
I’ve always thought about what I’d do if I were a center at that level and knew I could run a line at some point as a fourth official sub. I feel like I’d at least ask PRO (the US PGMOL) to run a couple of ARs in a lower division. The answer would probably be “no”, but I’d at least try the argument that I’d want to be an AR a couple of times a season so I wasn’t totally “cold” if I had to step in. I remember watching a MLS game a few years ago when one of our top FIFA centers had to run a line. He clearly smiled, held up four fingers, and (through my lip reading) said something about “four years”. I’m pretty sure that was the first time in four years that he had run a line.
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I think some of the referees actually do some line work at the PGMOL training sessions, as well as the assistants, so they are not totally cold. But it will have been a few years since he did 45 mins.
There was the FA cup match where the referee and 4O both went down, as a specialist AR had to take over and it was a few years since he did a middle of anything more than local football., so it works both ways.
There was the FA cup match where the referee and 4O both went down, as a specialist AR had to take over and it was a few years since he did a middle of anything more than local football., so it works both ways.
Apart from the facts don't back that up. The AR always makes a decision, whether that is offside or not, before VAR can have any involvement, so the AR's roles haven't actually changed at all other than having to delay offside flags. Plus he gave at least one free kick in an attacking area, VAR wouldn't have got involved if he hadn't given it.
Comments around the mantra that VAR has made ARs redundant belong on fan's forums, not on here.
Nothing to do with fandom whatsoever. Of course VAR has hugely diminished the responsibility of EPL Assistant Referees. Yes, they support the Referees with fouls and misconduct and routine ball in/out of play, but their KMS input is of no value, other than to give the spectators an indication of little value,
KMS's are at the very core of our historic responsibility and represent the value we get from the game as Match Officials. Don't diminish this fact by using your moderator position to be insulting please. If you're upset about me calling out the Ref at the Dorking game (tricky subject that, maybe not for the public domain in hindsight), I could accept that, but my observation of how VAR has devalued AR responsibility is entirely valid
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I'm not insulting anyone, merely pointing out that the role of the AR hasn't actually changed other than delaying the flag. Yes, the game has a safety net if they get an offside wrong, but it is no safety net for the ARs as they still get an incorrect KMI for it. There is absolutely no evidence to support a view that ARs deliberately don't indicate offsides as they know VAR will rescue them, and it would be nonsensical for them to do so as they'd still be clobbered for it. It would be akin to deliberately making a mistake at work because you know there are controls in place that will discover and correct it, no rational person would have that mindset.
I haven't even looked at the Dorking post in days if not weeks, let alone commented on it or performed any moderator actions. So absolutely zero idea what you are aiming at with that comment.
You've misunderstood
I wasn't referring to any of that
Besides, the 'leaving it to VAR argument' only applies to Referees. I've never thought ARs would do so
I was pointing out that an AR's signal (or lack of) for a KMD is inconsequential
The Dorking thing. I inadvertently got into discussing reclassification. Given that a specific colleague is the subject of that conversation, I regret broaching that subject on a public forum as to do so was inappropriate
Same argument stands for referees not making decisions because they know VAR will correct them stands though, there's no evidence to support that view and it would be nonsensical for them to take that approach.
Appreciate we are veering off topic though, and VAR or no VAR Darren Bond did very well in an unfamiliar role. Given the amount of money in the EPL there is probably an argument there should be reserve ARs at every game, not just cup finals and play off finals. Be great experience for specialist ARs operating at step 1 or 2 to get to work with the top level officiating teams. Chance of them getting on the pitch would be miniscule, but the experience could only help their progression. The amount they'd be paid would be about the same as some players would earn during the time it takes for the pre-match handshakes, can't really see why they wouldn't do it.
I don't agree, as you know. Hence, why dredge it back up again when my AR argument is a different consideration? We won't agree. And it would waste the life of my keyboard and the pixels on Member's phones and laptops to debate it again