Net interfering with GK
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santa sangria
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Dropped ball for me “as soon as the crossbar becomes displaced” based on LotG.
In the OP the crossbar moves. I think smart refereeing is to stop the game immediately.
(Futsal LotG is mostly identical to Footbal LotG but has a special section on this: defending team accidentally moves the goal, goal can still be awarded.)
In the OP the crossbar moves. I think smart refereeing is to stop the game immediately.
(Futsal LotG is mostly identical to Footbal LotG but has a special section on this: defending team accidentally moves the goal, goal can still be awarded.)
Interesting!
Runner Ref
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My main concern is that the attacker still never scored.
santa sangria
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This is so unusual in football. It’s a one in a million. No one wants to see a match decided here. The LotG gives you a few options: “crossbar displaced” is one. You could also go with “spirit of the game” and consider that the LotG cannot cover every scenario exactly.
For me, I think this passage gives strong guidance:
“If the crossbar becomes displaced or broken, play is stopped until it has been repaired or replaced in position. Play is restarted with a dropped ball. If it cannot be repaired the match must be abandoned. A rope or any flexible or dangerous material may not replace the crossbar.
Nets may be attached to the goals and the ground behind the goal; they must be properly supported and must not interfere with the goalkeeper.
Safety
Goals (including portable goals) must be firmly secured to the ground.”
I think there’s 3 separate points here all conveniently stacked up for you: crossbar displaced, nets interfering with GK, goals secured to ground. This is pretty overwhelming I think and there is no “advantage-type” get out. Play must be stopped. Restart is going to be dropped ball to GK in the area.
Was interesting looking this up. Are there other interpretations?
The crossbar definitely does not at any point become displaced - I agree with stopping the game, but you can't use that as the reason! (Although if a goal had been scored immediately and I'm sure that the keeper wouldn't have had a chance of preventing it, I'd give the goal)
Even without factoring in whatever the competition rules say about nets, I would say the highlighted parts above are the relevant points here. Where nets are attached to a bar rather than being pegged directly into the ground, that bar really needs to be firmly secured to the ground to avoid situations like the OP.
The crossbar certainly hasn't been displaced, it remains in place throughout and only the back of the goal frame leaves the ground, so don't think that part of law can be used.
Think I'd be looking at the keeper and defender reactions. If the attacker had headed it into the corner there's a chance they would just accept that and the goal could be awarded without many complaints. Whereas if the header was saveable and they are going crazy I'd agree that outside interference would have to be used.
Think I'd be looking at the keeper and defender reactions. If the attacker had headed it into the corner there's a chance they would just accept that and the goal could be awarded without many complaints. Whereas if the header was saveable and they are going crazy I'd agree that outside interference would have to be used.
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Runner Ref
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Nets may be attached to the goals and the ground behind the goal; they must be properly supported and must not interfere with the goalkeeper.
Above is the closest thing in law I can find in relation to this. Although I’d argue the keeper interfered with the nets, rather than the other way around.
Agree with @RustyRef that this is one to check player reaction on and most realistic chance keeper would have had to save it had this not happened (although he still saves it in this example!)
Might be one for @JamesL to query with his chums at IFAB
Above is the closest thing in law I can find in relation to this. Although I’d argue the keeper interfered with the nets, rather than the other way around.
Agree with @RustyRef that this is one to check player reaction on and most realistic chance keeper would have had to save it had this not happened (although he still saves it in this example!)
Might be one for @JamesL to query with his chums at IFAB
I'm not sure how I would word it, but if the ball doesn't cross the line, and something other than a player interferes with play the only outcome is a dropped ball then you couldn't award a goal and would have to do a dropped ball.
In this example the you can only really stop it after the save (what a save btw). You wont win any friends if the keeper is trapped in the net and a goal is scored and allowed.
Runner Ref
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Not true. The team who scored would all become your best friend
Touché