The Ref Stop

Lee Mason - Southampton v West Ham

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Busy day for Lee Mason!

2 penalties to Southampton, both looked nailed on. West Ham's Arnautovic saw red for a cowardly elbow on Stevens, running from behind his opponent and hitting him in the neck/side of of the head. Again looked a great decision.

However think Mason missed a couple of incidents. Southampton's Lemena jumping into a challenge with a leading arm, no foul given (WBA's Robson-Kanu shown a red for similar challenge against Burnley). Play continues, Mark Noble then slides in studs up, catches his opponent on the knee, no foul given or card shown, but play then stopped for a head injury to West Ham player from Lemena's earlier challenge.
 
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Not so sure about arnautovic (sp?!) personally, depends how fast it happened for me, slow motion masks true story often, he didnt 'hit him' he led blindly with his arm outstretched (no elbow) and caught him on neck. Definitely reckless yes, dangerous? Depends on speed for me.
 
Noble challenge was nasty, worse than Cahills for sure... thought Mason did well overall, its been a decent start to this season i think across the board...Long may it continue...
 
TopCat said:
Not so sure about arnautovic (sp?!) personally, depends how fast it happened for me, slow motion masks true story often, he didnt 'hit him' he led blindly with his arm outstretched (no elbow) and caught him on neck. Definitely reckless yes, dangerous? Depends on speed for me.
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What the highlights didn't show is that Arnautovic had been caught by a stray arm not long before and appeared to be very wound up. For me he knew exactly what he was doing and the red card was correct. He's also seemingly held his hands up and apologised for his actions.
 
On the whole Lee Mason did well - the KMIs he mostly got correct, although the Mark Noble challenge should have been dealt with differently. I do feel as though he wasn't concentrating on active play at that point (thinking of previous incidents/injuries) - and thus, didn't deal with the scenario accordingly.

I did feel also that Lee's position was slightly off on the whole - he was quite central and his movement was limited. Contrast this to Anthony Taylor's today, and there is a massive difference.
 
Lee Mason was outstanding in a Chelsea v Utd game years back, I might be wrong but I think it was the 2nd time in a matter of days they had played and the first game for whoever it was turned out to be controversial. Guessing but Chelsea prob won the 2nd game 5 3 or something but the thing I recall was Mason was excellent.
I think sadly that was the last and only time I have seen him have a great game
 
Ciley Myrus said:
Lee Mason was outstanding in a Chelsea v Utd game years back, I might be wrong but I think it was the 2nd time in a matter of days they had played and the first game for whoever it was turned out to be controversial. Guessing but Chelsea prob won the 2nd game 5 3 or something but the thing I recall was Mason was excellent.
I think sadly that was the last and only time I have seen him have a great game
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My curiosity got better of me. It was 5 4 to Chelsea and was days after the Mark Clattenburg racial allegation and Chelsea having two men sent off.
 
TopCat said:
Not so sure about arnautovic (sp?!) personally, depends how fast it happened for me, slow motion masks true story often, he didnt 'hit him' he led blindly with his arm outstretched (no elbow) and caught him on neck. Definitely reckless yes, dangerous? Depends on speed for me.
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Falls into either Serious Foul Play (SFP) or Violent Conduct (VC) category without question and the choice is dependent on whether the referee considers it to be a challenge for the ball or not.
An elbow into the side of the head and neck of an opponent endangers the safety of an opponent and if Lee Mason deemed it a challenge for the ball (it was late and Stephens had already passed the ball, just) that's SFP. If he wasn't challenging for the ball in the eyes of Lee Mason then, a deliberate strike to an opponent on the head or face with the hand or arm is VC.
 
Yampy said:
Falls into either Serious Foul Play (SFP) or Violent Conduct (VC) category without question and the choice is dependent on whether the referee considers it to be a challenge for the ball or not.
An elbow into the side of the head and neck of an opponent endangers the safety of an opponent and if Lee Mason deemed it a challenge for the ball (it was late and Stephens had already passed the ball, just) that's SFP. If he wasn't challenging for the ball in the eyes of Lee Mason then, a deliberate strike to an opponent on the head or face with the hand or arm is VC.
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Was just trying to find the clip to re watch I can't find it for love nor money. I think I am actually thinking of the Robson kanu red card not this one
 
TopCat said:
Was just trying to find the clip to re watch I can't find it for love nor money. I think I am actually thinking of the Robson kanu red card not this one
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Same thing applies IMHO. More VC than SFP but I say Martin Atkinson was correct.
It's disappointing to hear WBA are appealing the red card for 'wrongful dismissal'. I thought they were a better club than that.
 
I heard an interview with Chris wilder of SUFC asked if they will appeal Leon Clarkes Red, he said NO as he know how these things go, they see what they see as absolutes and without context and he wouldn't be wasting his time or energy as he knows how these things work out!!! Time to move on...
 
What was Clarkes red even for? He never even touched him as far as I can see, certainly instigated it but that isn't a red in itself
 
He was rabbit punched and so grabbed the neck / throat of the defender, who promptly head butted him!!!
 
Probably slightly biased being a blue, but Vertonghen and Dier appeared to be lucky to escape with only a yellow from Anthony Taylor after studs up challenges. Didn't look much difference between those and Cahill's against Burnley.
 
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