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HAL - ball to the face - yellow or red?

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This was a result of the blue player trying to grab the ball out of the keeper's hands while he was just standing there holding it (for a corner).
There was quite a large, aggressive confrontation between almost the entire teams after this as well, but disappointingly only the 2 first players were carded.

So, yellow or red for the ball to the face?

Keeper is Liam Reddy from Western Sydney Wanderers, opponents are Sydney FC. Local derby.
 
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Imagine a slap on the face with the same force, we're going to RC for that.
So I see no reason not to RC for this.
 
For me it's red - if you struck a player in the face with your arm/hand with that same amount of force it would be a definite red. Why is it less serious if it's the ball? That's what I'd like those in the 'yellow' camp to address.

It doesn't really look much different sped up, but this is the only replay I have :p
 
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Red for the GK, Yellow for the reaction. Goalkeeper has already annoyed me and acted as the catalyst by picking up the ball when it's a corner (subtly trying to delay the restart) and that amount of force to the face is a clear red for me. Reaction from the aggrieved player merits a card but can't see how I'd justify Red from what's on the video
 
Yellow? Really? For an act of VC? Really?

No wonder players are getting worse.

Red for the GK all day, every day, every week of every year including leap years.

If you genuinely believe it is a yellow, give your head a wobble.
 
It was a ball lightly tossed up into a players face. It wasn't a strike, it wasn't a throw with any aggression or power behind it. You see elbows, hands and all sorts hitting players faces a lot harder than that with sometime's no reprimand! Keeper was in the wrong. No doubt about that. But I would call it stupid over violent!

Yellow for the the ball in the face, yellow for the reaction... And a pat on the back for not falling on the floor like most of the primadonnas you see on to these days!
 
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It was a ball lightly tossed up into a players face. It wasn't a strike, it wasn't a throw with any aggression or power behind it. You see elbows, hands and all sorts hitting players faces a lot harder than that with someone's no reprimand! Keeper was in the wrong. No doubt about that. But I would call it stupid over violent!

Yellow for the the ball in the face, yellow for the reaction... And a pat on the back for not falling on the floor like most of the primadonnas you see on to these days!
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A slap/tap/ball to the face is designed to do one thing - get you opponent sent off.
I believe by not sending off for this we are encouraging players to have a go at it.
I assume "violent conduct" is just the term that was used back in the day when you had to murder someone to get sent off beacuse in modern football violence isn't required to get sent off for VC. A slap to the face is plenty enough
 
If while the ball is in play, a player, substitute or substituted player throws an object at an opponent or other person using excessive force, the referee must stop play and send off the player, substitute or substituted player for violent conduct.

How much force is permitted when throwing a ball into an opponents face?

I realise that in this scenario the ball was 'dead' however I would suggest that the same yardstick is used to assess sanction due to the 'excessive force' used.
 
I don't think it's enough to warrant a red. It's not a violent throw by any stretch of the imagination. Had he thrown it with force, I'd be singing off the same hymn sheet as you every day of the week.

@Padfoot youve answered your own post.. Excessive force. That is not what you see here at all. If that is your example of excessive force, then I'd expect your signature stats to support your theory because if you classed that as excessive, you'd be calling the game early every game through lack of players. You'd have sent them all off!
 
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I don't think it's enough to warrant a red. It's not a violent throw by any stretch of the imagination. Had he thrown it with force, I'd be singing off the same hymn sheet as you every day of the week.

@Padfoot youve answered your own post.. Excessive force. That is not what you see here at all. If that is your example of excessive force, then I'd expect your signature stats to support your theory because if you classed that as excessive, you'd be calling the game early every game through lack of players. You'd have sent them all off!
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It's excessive force because any force used in this scenario is excessive - the keeper simply doesn't need to do it. Don't know about anyone else but I'm seeing an attempted headbutt by the other player.
 
Keeper blows on the attacker... Red card because he used force?!? It's a mans game and this was a schoolboy stunt. Give them a bollocking show them the yellow, don't ruin the game and crack on.
 
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Keeper blows on the attacker... Red card because he used force?!? It's a mans game and this was a schoolboy stunt. Give them a bollocking show them the yellow, don't ruin the game and crack on.
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You're talking as a player not a referee in this instance......

Alex has nailed it.....excessive force.
 
If a keeper done that to me, I'd be annoyed but I wouldn't expect him to be sent off.

I just can not see how this is excessive.
 
The offence would be force, as you state. But the player has not been hurt, there is no cut, bruise, laceration, swelling or anything else that suggests this ball has been thrown at the players face with excessive force. That is unless the player has suffered internal bleeding or something, which I absolutely doubt.

There are two sides to this and I see your point in saying VC but you have to look at it from a different perspective. Players have an altercation, they have a push and a shove and nothing more, you know what I mean, the type you see in most games. Toys thrown out the prom. Now, these punches etc that you get are a lot more forceful than this ball yet the usual outcome for handbags is a stern talking to. If you are going to dismiss the keeper for excessive force, you have to be consistent in your approach and definition of the term "excessive" for the rest of the game. I can guarantee you that the game would be abandoned.
 
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