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Goal after the whistle

Viridis1886

Viridis1886

By the power of IFAB, you will obey me!
Level 5 Referee
Immediately after the ball was struck by a player I blew for half time, just in time to see the ball loop over the keeper and into the net!

My call was no goal as I had blown and therefore the half was up.

Do I wish I had whistled later or earlier? Absolutely!

But was it the right call? I've looked through the LotG and can't find what I would hope to clarify my decision either way.

Taken in good humour though. They were 3-0 up and wanted to know if they could have half a goal if it ended a draw.
 
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That's why it is always best to blow for half and full time when the ball is in a safe, neutral, area. Pretty sure they wouldn't have taken it in such good humour if it was 0-0 at the time 😂
 
RustyRef said:
That's why it is always best to blow for half and full time when the ball is in a safe, neutral, area. Pretty sure they wouldn't have taken it in such good humour if it was 0-0 at the time 😂
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No. I think you're right. I lucked out in that respect. I'll definitely judge that one better next time. Hopefully.

But was it the correct call? No goal. Where is the LotG bit that covers it?
 
Viridis1886 said:
No. I think you're right. I lucked out in that respect. I'll definitely judge that one better next time. Hopefully.

But was it the correct call? No goal. Where is the LotG bit that covers it?
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Yeah, if you've blown your whistle play is stopped. Covered in law 9 ...

The ball is out of play when:

• it has wholly passed over the goal line or touchline on the ground or in the air
• play has been stopped by the referee
 
Thanks @RustyRef

I was fairly sure I was right. I regret not either blowing before/after but fairly certain I made the right call in disallowing it.

According to the manager he spoke to 'another ref' who said that it should have stood as it was part of a phase of play that should have been allowed to continue. He wasn't fussed about it being disallowed.
 
There are refs who take a very strict when time is up it’s up view. Which isn’t wrong in Law, but . . . In this video, she dribbled the ball once Or twice after the whistle.

I seem to recall a game severaal years ago in the PL, I thought, where a ball was actually in the air toward the goal when the R whistled to end.

I was AR on a game with a R who was superun strict on time and literally called for time as a ball was rolling into the goal past all defenders. (On the other hand, I had my flag up for a foul on the attacking team that the R couldn’t see as he’d been caught back a bit on a counter attack.) I think I’ve convinced him that time isn’t quite that tight in the eyes of most on a soccer pitch.
 
wazztie16 said:
Time to dig this one out!

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Also this old faithful...


Mine was much closer to the first incident but further back from the edge of the D. We all had time to hear the whistle then follow the flight of the ball over the top of the keeper! 😶
 
Viridis1886 said:
Also this old faithful...


Mine was much closer to the first incident but further back from the edge of the D. We all had time to hear the whistle then follow the flight of the ball over the top of the keeper! 😶
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Ridiculous.


there is nothing complicated about ending the half or game in an area where complications could arise

dont even need refereeing qualifications, merely common sense
 
I think it’s common sense for those sawhorses have grown up with soccer. Most other sports have rigid timing rules, and many who grew up with those sports really struggle with the imprecision the game of soccer expects. (I also think the change to announcing the amount of added time (yes, technically the minimum) has changed some of the perception of time for soccer, too.)
 
Correct in law (and correct not to allow goal once you’ve blown), sounds like you also got away with it from a match control point of view.

Learning point for future - blow for HT/FT at a non-controversial time, when ball is either in the air from goal kick / deep free kick, defenders faffing around passing it between themselves, defensive clearance, etc.

For the potential repercussions, it’s well worth playing the extra few seconds.

And if players are asking “how long ref” with anything less than a minute to go, I always answer with “less than a minute” or “not long now” or “when he kicks it” (if it’s a goal kick / defensive free kick in own half) rather than giving them specifics such as “20 seconds” in case somebody does score in the above situation, you avoid players on the opposing team giving you grief for playing any longer than the time you said.
 
CA1992 said:
Correct in law (and correct not to allow goal once you’ve blown), sounds like you also got away with it from a match control point of view.

Learning point for future - blow for HT/FT at a non-controversial time, when ball is either in the air from goal kick / deep free kick, defenders faffing around passing it between themselves, defensive clearance, etc.

For the potential repercussions, it’s well worth playing the extra few seconds.

And if players are asking “how long ref” with anything less than a minute to go, I always answer with “less than a minute” or “not long now” or “when he kicks it” (if it’s a goal kick / defensive free kick in own half) rather than giving them specifics such as “20 seconds” in case somebody does score in the above situation, you avoid players on the opposing team giving you grief for playing any longer than the time you said.
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Gd point

its always, " not long' not, " 10 secs"

even long before this, its " around 15"


never ever tie yourself down.
 
This is also the reason why having a countdown watch that makes an audible noise when time is up isn't a really good idea. If defenders hear it seconds before they concede a goal you are going to get a hard time.
 
CA1992 said:
“when he kicks it” (if it’s a goal kick / defensive free kick in own half)
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why wait till he kicks it?

And with respect to the goal after a whistle, in a moment of synchronicity, my brother called me last night about a couple of events in his sons‘ games—including a R who blew the whistle for a PK, and then a goal, scored, and the R decided to award the goal because he decided it wasn’t really a PK….
 
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