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CAR - what u ask of them

refdave83

refdave83

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I know you tell them offsides are there's etc etc BUT...
ball comes across and the balls head goal bound. I'm just inside the box and the lines are terrible. I can not be 100% sure if its crossed the line. I don't give it. But I do look at my CAR and he is not giving me any signal.

At the end of the game he tells me the ball did cross the line and apologised he should have called me over.

Now if he did should I have given the goal and do you tell the CARS about giving a goal if its close
 
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refdave83 said:
I know you tell them offsides are there's etc etc BUT...
ball comes across and the balls head goal bound. I'm just inside the box and the lines are terrible. I can not be 100% sure if its crossed the line. I don't give it. But I do look at my CAR and he is not giving me any signal.

At the end of the game he tells me the ball did cross the line and apologised he should have called me over.

Now if he did should I have given the goal and do you tell the CARS about giving a goal if its close
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Personally I wouldn't. Just because as everyone knows, they will probably lie anyway! Just got to hope it doesn't happen again! :P
 
I see your point, why would a CAR cheat to give a goal against his own team. Still no though.
 
I was more thinking in the opposite respect of when it blatantly does go in, and the CAR decides to insist that it hasn't (you haven't seen it), then the cheating would come into play!
 
refdave83 said:
I know you tell them offsides are there's etc etc BUT...
ball comes across and the balls head goal bound. I'm just inside the box and the lines are terrible. I can not be 100% sure if its crossed the line. I don't give it. But I do look at my CAR and he is not giving me any signal.

At the end of the game he tells me the ball did cross the line and apologised he should have called me over.

Now if he did should I have given the goal and do you tell the CARS about giving a goal if its close
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In that situation, I would probably trust my own judgement over that of the CAR. As you say, if you aren't 100% sure or can't see it, you can't give it. Maybe that's just me being cynical, but in my experience CAR's often can't be trusted. For that reason, I give my CAR's minimum responsibility (ie. ball in/out).
 
Yep, I ask for Out of Play only from CARs, but you still the odd numpty who stays at the healf way line, shouts and waves his flag like he's swatting a fly when the striker is on the floor tying his boots in an offside position by the corner flag and the balls on the far side of play.

Cue protests and shouts of 'Flags up ref!" ....... ;-)

I always explain to the players beforehand that I am the one calling the offsides, and that they need to play the whistle, not the flag. I also remind them that the LOTG tell me to give the benefit of any doubt to the attacker, and that that's what I will do.
 
The less you give a CAR to do the better. Most of them don't want to do it anyway, so the last thing they need is to be bombarded with instructions
 
I also only ever ask CAR's to do ins and outs, I have never in all my time in football seen a CAR keep up with play so anything else is pointless and will just confuse situations, I often find them stood somewhere around the halfway line and sometimes not even watching the game never mind keeping up with play.
 
Because its better than nothing Ryan, it may not be like that in Canada but here they are more often than not one of the teams manager or a substitute, they cant be expected to keep up with play and sprint up and down the line etc and if they are not keeping up with play then you certainly don't want them waving there flag for offside decisions. Quite simply in and outs only is my only instruction to a CAR.
 
I don't think they are better than nothing if they 1) aren't up for the job and 2) are dishonest about decisions.
 
Not used them for a while, but I always said: "When the whole of the ball crosses the touchline, flag and give the direction if you know it. Don't be offended if I overrule you. Thanks."
 
After my game on Saturday I'm going to add to this discussion, by saying that the players deserve to know what the ARs are responsible for as well.

I was appointed a game with no ARs on the weekend, so I did my usual pre-match talk to the players - "I am calling offsides, and the LOTG tell me to give the benefit of doubt to the attacker, so play to the whistle".

Sure enough, both teams hand the flag to a substitute...... ho hum here we go.

Anyway, we have done the toss, the handshakes and are lining up for kick-off, when I recognise a Level 2 ref picking up the flag on one touchline (one level higher than I am). He catches my eye, points at the flag and at himself and I give him a smile and thumbs up - great, I got a quality AR on that side.

I blow for kick-off and away we go.

15 mins in, I have blown for offside and I get an earful because the AR didn't flag it - quick word to remind the players that I was the one calling offsides and carry on. 10 mins later, I notice the flag-holder on the other line has changed - who the hell is that?

As it turns out, I ended up with two very highly qualified ARs for the bulk of the game. So I went and had a 'half-time chat' with both teams to let them know that there were now two ARs who I knew, and respected as officials, and that they were now going to be flagging everything.

The players appreciated the heads up, and thanked me for it.

We are there for them at the end of the day, and if they don't understand where we are coming from, it can only make things harder for us!

If we don't show the players some respect, how can we expect them to respect us?
 
Absolutely agree, Matty. Two-way communication is something we can learn a lot about from rugby.
 
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