Advantage?

[ryparsley]

Hi all.

Reffed my first ever game yesterday morning, U11's.

There was an incident when the GK took a short goal kick, which he scuffed, and then ran to the ball and kicked it again. At the point of his 2nd touch, it went straight to the feet of the attacker, who tapped in from close range. I blew pretty much at the same time the attacker took the shot, and gave an IDFK where the keepers 2nd touch was. (Looking at the laws of the game now, I should have cautioned the GK).

The attacking team manager wasn't happy with my decision, and said advantage should have been given. Was I right to blow and give the IDFK, or is advantage something you can play in this situation?

Cheers

 

[JamesL]

Yes, you can play an advantage from any offence where it benefits the non-offending team.

What would the caution be for? Did the second touch SPA (stop a promising attack) or would it have been a DOGSO (Denial of a goal scoring opportunity) or neither?

 

[ryparsley]

Yes, you can play an advantage from any offence where it benefits the non-offending team.

What would the caution be for? Did the second touch SPA (stop a promising attack) or would it have been a DOGSO (Denial of a goal scoring opportunity) or neither?

Thankyou.

The caution would have been for DOGSO, as the ball was with the attacker at close range with an open goal.

 

[JamesL]

Thankyou.

The caution would have been for DOGSO, as the ball was with the attacker at close range with an open goal.

So one thing you need to think about is what the proper sanction should be for DOGSO in this scenario.

 

[CaptainsPlease]

I agree advantage can be played here. For a DOGSO in this situation I think it has to be a sending off as there is no possibility for the GK to play the ball.

 

[JamesL]

Just going to throw this out there... Possible thread derailment incoming.

Has anyone else noticed the whole sanctioning a GK for a 2nd touch offence thats SPA / DOGSO, as written, only applies to a GK and not an outfield player?

Surely not intent of law to pigeon hole that to a GK. What if an outfield player takes a goal kick, or a free kick close to goal?

Strike that... Offence punishable by free kick covers the outfield players. Still strange drafting as per normal!!

 

[socal lurker]

Just going to throw this out there... Possible thread derailment incoming.

Has anyone else noticed the whole sanctioning a GK for a 2nd touch offence thats SPA / DOGSO, as written, only applies to a GK and not an outfield player?

Surely not intent of law to pigeon hole that to a GK. What if an outfield player takes a goal kick, or a free kick close to goal?

Strike that... Offence punishable by free kick covers the outfield players. Still strange drafting as per normal!!

IIRC, that language was added to correct what used to be a really stupid official interpretation. It used to be that a GK could not be sanctioned for an offense using his hands. So it used to be that if the GK committed the second touch offense with his hands, there could not be a caution or send off, but there could be if he used his foot. It was, IMO, a really, really stupid interpretation, but it was around for a long time.

 

[lalec03]

Yes, you can play an advantage from any offence where it benefits the non-offending team.

What would the caution be for? Did the second touch SPA (stop a promising attack) or would it have been a DOGSO (Denial of a goal scoring opportunity) or neither?

Can you play advantage for a red card offence? I would have thought not unless the aftermath was a tapin?

 

[JamesL]

Can you play advantage for a red card offence? I would have thought not unless the aftermath was a tapin?

Advantage
If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/
sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/
sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the
offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity,
the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering
with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.

Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play,
violent conduct or a second cautionable offence unless there is a clear
opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send off the player when the ball
is next out of play, but if the player plays the ball or challenges/interferes with
an opponent, the referee will stop play, send off the player and restart with an
indirect free kick, unless the player committed a more serious offence.

P102.

 

[lalec03]

Advantage
If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/
sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/
sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the
offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity,
the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering
with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.

Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play,
violent conduct or a second cautionable offence unless there is a clear
opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send off the player when the ball
is next out of play, but if the player plays the ball or challenges/interferes with
an opponent, the referee will stop play, send off the player and restart with an
indirect free kick, unless the player committed a more serious offence.

P102.

Thanks, that is helpful.

 

[Therealcjhill]

Hi all.

Reffed my first ever game yesterday morning, U11's.

There was an incident when the GK took a short goal kick, which he scuffed, and then ran to the ball and kicked it again. At the point of his 2nd touch, it went straight to the feet of the attacker, who tapped in from close range. I blew pretty much at the same time the attacker took the shot, and gave an IDFK where the keepers 2nd touch was. (Looking at the laws of the game now, I should have cautioned the GK).

The attacking team manager wasn't happy with my decision, and said advantage should have been given. Was I right to blow and give the IDFK, or is advantage something you can play in this situation?

Cheers

Don’t be cautioning 10yr old kids for things like this. Teach them what they can and can’t do. Don’t be card happy.

 

[one]

Hi all.

Reffed my first ever game yesterday morning, U11's.

There was an incident when the GK took a short goal kick, which he scuffed, and then ran to the ball and kicked it again. At the point of his 2nd touch, it went straight to the feet of the attacker, who tapped in from close range. I blew pretty much at the same time the attacker took the shot, and gave an IDFK where the keepers 2nd touch was. (Looking at the laws of the game now, I should have cautioned the GK).

The attacking team manager wasn't happy with my decision, and said advantage should have been given. Was I right to blow and give the IDFK, or is advantage something you can play in this situation?

Cheers

There is some misunderstanding and confusion for some newer referees on when advantage can be played and when it cant be played. It is reactively simple. Two conditions must be met before you can play advantage.

1. Ball must be in play, and
2. an offence is committed by opponents.

So in your case, ball was in play after the first touch so first condition met, some time later the second touch is the offence so second condition met. At this time you can play advantage. A little later you blow the whistle, now ball is out of play (by means of you blowing the whistle). This means you can no longer play advantage and allow the goal. hope this helps.

 

[Dan56]

Since we are dealing with a new referee we should make one thing very clear about advantage: it can only be given where an OFFENCE has been committed. If the ball goes out over touchline just before a player crosses and his team scores you MUST give the throw in...no advantage is possible. I realise this may seem obvious to seasoned referees but it is worth stating.