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This is the key bit, especially the bold bit. The teams will always be biased towards themselves. Always.

It does look like a red to me. Perhaps there wasn't enough force in the contact to trigger a red?

Yes, he is actually impartial in the context of whether he thought that should have been a goal or not, proved, as what he said went against MU's interests here. Whether he talks nonsense a lot of the time or not is a separate argument not relevant to this and I'm not getting into it.

I think the core problem is that every incident is literally unique and grey areas will always be there, so no matter how rigorously and consistently one tries to judge it, there will always be disagreement. Hence, controversies can be reduced, but not eliminated. I don't think the current VAR...

Gary Neville just did his nut over that one lol. Easy to forget his an ex ManU player and supporter going by his comments, so credit to him for being impartial. Unlike the other controversial incident I commented on the other day, I'm not sure about this one. Sure, his arm was a little bit away...

Yeah, I was wondering what happened to that.

I've finished, believe me. Please see my report I've that I've just submitted.

No, I'm not a wind up. I've noticed that the only time you ever talk to me is to "correct" or criticise me and then you escalate it, like now. Big tip: I'm not interested and it's really annoying. Just leave it out. I might just start ignoring your posts completely if you carry on with this...

Yes, I did see the tug on Raya's shirt. I think that was probably even more disruptive than the arm as it stopped him jumping properly.

Definite foul on Raya. You could see how his arms were being pushed down. The pundits later said that there were actually lots of fouls going on there. tbh in the chaos of the moment, even on the slowmo, I couldn't tell what other ones they were referring to.

Hang on everyone, I've just looked at the footage again on the TV broadcast and it clearly shows the handball moment from the left of Sesko complete with stills and slowmo that the VAR was looking at, so I dunno where that 22 minute lag claim comes from. So again, I maintain that if they'd just...

I'm watching that Sesko goal on Ref Watch where they said the camera angle that clearly shows the deflection of the ball wasn't found until 22 minutes later. No wonder the VAR couldn't tell, it makes sense now why they gave it. Also, why did it take such a long time to find that camera angle?

@ladbroke8745 @dadofref sorry, my toothache has flared up again now, so I can't really concentrate on detailed replies right now. Hopefully tomorrow. I'll just reply to this: I can see why you might think so, but I'm actually a ManU supporter. We have to be objective when discussing reffing...

Ok, you're starting to get into personal attack territory here. Indeed, no point in debating with you. Sometimes, it takes just one thing to prove a point and a midair inflection point is one of them since it can't happen without contact. It literally makes everything else irrelevent, but if...

It wasn't. There was an inflection point where Sesko's hand touched it. Impossible for it to happen midair without contact. It's right there on the video.

@ladbroke8745 You can clearly see the ball change direction at the point of contact. That's it, 100%.

Thankyou, Ryan. I've not watched the aftermath yet, but it looks like I'll enjoy it! Sesko must have been laughing all the way to the bank. He truly knows he touched it as he'd feel it.

Ok, I recorded the match, have just played it back and can still see it on several of the replays. The ball bounces off Sesko, then the ball changes direction and actually accelerates a little at the point of contact with his hand which would otherwise be happening in midair with no physical...

The ball swerved / changed direction in midair, an inflexion point that can't happen unless it hits something, as I've explained. That's how you know it hit his hand. That push in the back of Sesko, yeah, that was strange. Not even a free kick at the very least.

Sesko definitely handballed it today and I'm surprised that the VAR couldn't figure it out. This is why. The slowmo from the left of Sesko showed the ball coming up and towards him. We can't actully see if his hand touched the ball as the ball obscures the contact point which is why everyone...