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I guess I’m surprised to see any handball overturned by VAR without evidence that it’s not hit the arm. I‘d assume that in most cases if it hits the arm it can’t then be a C&O error since mitigation is subjective.

I think one of the reasons this one is so hard for the ref in real time is that it’s such a clear opportunity to score a goal - there’s a decent-sized gap between the keeper and defender into an empty net - that you’re not expecting a dive in that position.

I’m confused - thoughts on the reversed PK? I know leg first and onto arm is usually no pen, but that’s generally when the ball has been miscontrolled. Here Kiwior has made himself bigger to stop a shot and it hits his thigh first before his arm (I think). I can understand the ref giving no pen...

Agree with the red if the foul is given. My first reaction was PK, but a couple of the camera angles show how easily he goes down. With those I’d be going no foul, but in real time from the ref’s angle I would’ve given it.

Fair enough, but in most situations a penalty (0.8 xG) plus a red card is a more game-changing decision. Referees also already give goals in plenty of other situations that decide games, so there’s nothing new there. And rugby referees already award penalty tries, generally in more complex...

It’d be the same decision with less pressure on the referee - if you give PK + RC for denying a goal today, you give a penalty goal + YC under a revised law. If there are grey areas they’re the same ones that exist now.

My first reaction to the Anderson disallowed goal was that the ball was played to Longstaff by the Forest defender, starting a new phase of play and therefore not an offside offence - and certainly not C&O for VAR to overturn. Is there something I'm missing?

Can you also opt for no caution here in the circumstances? If the keeper doesn’t misjudge the line he just collects the ball a few yards back (I think). At no point is there an OGSO or a promising attack.

Yeah that’s a penalty - you can’t use the “falling” argument if you’re doing it to save a shot…

Good one for a training course and good spot from the VAR - not sure I’ve seen an offside before where the offside player has been so clearly “behind” the team-mate who played the ball (though ahead of the ball).

Does the VAR not spot this? Could understand (just) a ref saying the tread on Trippier’s foot was normal contact and Trippier’s challenge was a pen, but overturning for C&O seems plain wrong when the attacker has clearly stepped on him first

To be fair the challenge on Longstaff was about 5 yards ahead of where he marched them back to…

Referee was phenomenal today - brilliant no pen decision on 87 mins, perfect match control, one of the greatest games of all time. Whole team should be very proud

Learn something new every day - thanks!

For a start, it’s limited by the frame rate of the camera - at 60 frames a second the ball could have been played anytime in that 1/60 of a second gap. If a fast player is moving at top speed (say 10m/s), then that’s a 17cm margin of error - even if jogging at 2m/s, you still have a 3cm margin...

Implication is that a GK can’t dive to catch a ball or save a shot without risking a pen if his hand lands on an opponent. Do we expect keepers not to jump?

It’s just not a pen - again totally insane that VAR is calling that C&O

That’s a trip, surely?

What’s going on? That looked C&O too on first glance…

VAR penalty for handball obviously correct, but looked to me like they should have had another one shortly afterwards - clearly not offside so surely they should be checking the penalty?!