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Thanks for the clarification, JamesL. How stuff like that can ever be considered not abusive or insulting is beyond me. I get laddish humour when friends make insulting jokes to each other that they laugh off, but racism is a red line that should never be crossed.

That sounds like a case of "casual racism" to me and it's probably likely that he didn't mean it maliciously, as he's claimed. However, it's still just as unacceptable as "regular" racism said with bad intent though, so they can't be soft on it, especially for a second offence. Such a stupid and...

Oh man, walk away, not worth getting your head kicked in over this with potentially life changing injuries. They sound like a bunch of thugs, not a football team. Definitely report it and add as much detail as possible.

Confusing everybody sounds like a result! 🤣 Seriously, it totally fits in with my sense of humour and irony. But really, great feedback from everyone here. Sounds like it's technically possible, but not worth it if you wanna live afterwards lol. Reffing can really be a minefield.

Ok, so what about a yellow for clear simulation and allow the free kick?

Oh, I'd give him a yellow card for clearly cheating - and no free kick. The only way to stop these antics is to take away the profit. Surely the rules would allow you to do this?

@JBeil 40 quid for all that time and commitment just to get all that aggro? No way, not worth it. I wouldn't do it either and I think you're right to quit. At most, perhaps try women's football as others have suggested. Certainly, the ladies are generally more well behaved and naturally less...

Give Ratcliffe a chance! He's only just joined and all these big things take time and money, lots of money.

For all its faults and issues, I think VAR should stay. I like the forensic level analysis of incidents and overall it improves reffing quality. I believe that the process will continue to improve over time. Don't forget that the side on the wrong end of a VAR decision will nearly always...

@RustyRef interesting, but as many other stadiums don't have these features and they don't waterlog, these slopes all round the pitch aren't needed to achieve adequate drainage. I suspect that advancements in technology have mitigated this. I've never noticed that slope either and no tendency...

I don't get why the Old Trafford pitch is made that way as there's no need for it. I've been there and can tell you that the drop-off is high and steep, the camera doesn't lie. With Ratcliffe now at the helm and his desire to overhaul the stadium as part of his overall plans for the club, maybe...

Hangonaminute! So, you're saying that a reffing expert, ie the ref and the VAR team are being judged by non-reffing experts and potentially partisan people, the ex players and managers? Something isn't right here. An appeal should only be judged by top refs, end of story.

With such obvious reffing errors, one can see why people sometimes think a decision was fixed, even if it wasn't. I haven't seen it, so am not expressing an opinion on it, just going by your account.

But guys, why is this incident worth a red card and not just a yellow?

The ball had only just started its trajectory when the keeper blocked it, plus the angle viewed at, so it doesn't look certain to me. Remember, the ref saw it from a very different angle than the camera and that can make a real difference to perception. There's no VAR in this game either, I believe.

Right, I can see that the keeper handballed it, but why a red card and not just a yellow? Is it because it looked like that header would have gone in, maybe?

Forest have demanded that referee audio of the incidents be released to the public domain. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/clw0g501q0xo

Hypothetically assuming that the accusations are right, is it still inappropriate to make them in public? I have a feeling it might be and perhaps should only be made through the official channel. btw, I have no opinion on them one way or the other as I didn't see the incidents, just curious.

@Viridis1886 I can't wait for them to bring the sin bin to the Premier League and Champions League. It's so humiliating for the naughty player to be made to sit in the naughty spot for a bit, lol. Do the players get all grumbly when they're forced to sit it out? Also, is it the ref who times...

This fascinating video shows lots of ghost goals over the decades due to incorrect reffing decisions. Of course, these errors happened due to the difficulty of seeing these fast action edge cases in real time with the naked eye and no available replays. It's interesting to see as how technology...