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Just only caught up on the highlights for this. Thoughts on the red? Starts at 2:45

Unless you know what you’re doing with comms, they’re a waste of time. And if anything, can be a hinderance. They aren’t as easy to use as some people who don’t have much/any experience using them. Some people constantly talk on them, some people are mute. Then you factor in that there is...

Completely agree that handball will always be one of, if not the most subjective call in football. My issue/annoyance/frustration/worry is around how far apart various parties are in its application. When we look at UEFA games, and even Spanish league, they’re so far away from what would be...

Which is my entire point. How can none of them know? It’s embarrassing

Of course you can. The entire point of VAR is to stop such poor decisions from happening. A group of officials have looked at the incident last night and said no pen, whereas a group looked at the other one and said pen. The incidents are pretty similar. This is why fans get frustrated when it...

Clip 5 mins in- how can tha be deemed handball, yet last nights wasn’t? As previously said, no issues with no penalty last night, but 2 fairly similar incidents with different outcomes.

This is where it’s all an absolute mess. I’m fine with it not being a penalty. However, by UEFA standards it is a pen. But not by PGMOL standards. People running it simply don’t have a clue. We shouldn’t be in situations like this in which everything is a complete and utter guess as to whether...

I can live with it not being a penalty. But I think it proves that handballs inside and outside of the PA are not the same thing……

As a newbie, I was always taught to run a figure of 8

By their standards, it was certainly a long way offside. Whether ARs are neeeded when VAR is in operation is interesting. At this stage, they’re getting involved in the odd foul and that’s about it. Believe there was an issue in the Utd game today with a ball in/not in (not seen in)

Rusty, stop agreeing with me. This isn’t as much fun! @one say something controversial

Me thinks Kirky has missed a stonewaller https://www.skysports.com/football/video/12606/13455438/championship-middlesbrough-denied-clear-penalty-against-sheffield-wednesday

Head over to the Gillingham thread. We can easily have a disagreement over that one!

Whereas I’d say I don’t see how you can look at it and see a clear DOGSO. Player has slipped over and not fully stood up, then covering defender ends up being there pretty quickly.

The was mentioned on ref watch (I think) they mentioned it was the AR who had got involved, as referee initially didn’t believe it to be a foul/handball. SFP for me

Exactly where I’m at with it. The control factor is far too ambiguous for me. As I said earlier, he was barely stood upright

I’m still not convinced red once you go attacking foul. Even before the ‘foul’ the attacker hasn’t got control of the ball. He’s not even standing up due to the slip

Are we really giving this as a red for DOGSO?

Sounds like a weird maths lesson

If knobhead is acceptable to shout at the AR, where is the line of unacceptable?