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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    But they're only going to stop play is there's clear evidence the origiinal decision is wrong, even in leagues where they use the pitchside monitor. I think it's also making a big assumption to think the process would be any quicker if they'd use the monitor. I saw some stats recently about...
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    Did you not think it was a penalty yesterday? I thought it was pretty clear, especially with the benefit of replays, so the right decision was reached. You'd ideally want them to make the decision quicker but for whatever reason they didn't. Perhaps it was taking a while to find the required...
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    Goal would definitely be disallowed if Spurs scored and penalty needed to be awarded - it's happened before outside England. Play is meant to be stopped when the ball is in a neutral area if VAR recommends a review. The problem with just stopping it in the interim is people will become...
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    A random question but if Man City had scored in the interim whilst VAR was checking the penalty would the goal have counted or would they have gone back for the penalty?
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    Yes, although I guess it would have been odder to stop the game and then not give a penalty. Ideally the decision would have been made quicker.
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    Sheffield United vs Man City

    Regarding attacking encroachment at a penalty, it 'should' be a retake if it goes straight in and an indirect free-kick if penalty is saved (and no defender encroaching.) I remember Mike Dean making Frank Lampard take a penalty three times at West Ham but ti's true it's very rarely penalised...
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    Sheffield United vs Man City

    It does seem a bit of an anomaly that if one of the Sheffield United defenders had cleared the ball rather than Henderson picking it up then it would presumably have been retaken for encroachment. I can understand them not wanting to use VAR because it was becoming a bit farcical in the WWC...
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    Match day 23&24

    I agree - he's been one of my favourite PL referees for a long time and consistently up there with the best. He's early 50s so obviously will have to stop at some point relatively soon but I think he's still been one of the best this season.
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    Match day 23&24

    So that's England, Jones and Rrobinson all getting Premier League games so far this season. Could we be in line for all three of them getting promoted, which might mean a few retirements at the end of the season? Mike Dean is doing his 500th Pl game at Arsenal which is a great achivement...
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    Everton Brighton

    I agree with you really - but it does seem that sometimes referees make interpretations that don't really have a basis in law. Hence, mic'ing them up would mean more transparency and require them to have a sound reason for their judgement. You certainly couldn't have a referee saying 'he didn't...
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    CRY ARS quick free kick

    I'm not certain exactly how it works but I think the commentators are given information directly form Stockley Park. The BBC commentators said on the Arsenal V Leeds commentary last week 'We've just heard the words check complete', although I'm not sure if they hear this directly from the VAR or...
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    Everton Brighton

    I think the situation was one where an OFR would have been a good idea. From what I've read and from Demrot Gallagher said on Sky, it seems Coote's on-field verdict was that he'd seen contact but the defender had let go very quickly and he didn't think there was enough for a penalty. I can...
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    CRY ARS quick free kick

    They said 'We're hearing that the decision is going to be overturned and a red card will be shown' so they were pretty categorical - there have been lots of occasions when the commentators have declared what the decision will be before the referee has actually indicated it but normally there...
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    CRY ARS quick free kick

    The time it took for the red card to be shown after VAR looked at the incident has been mentioned - one curious thing is there was quite a long delay after the BT commentators had said they'd heard it was going to be overturned before the red card was shown (both Martin Keown and Peter Walton...
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    Bobby Madley opens up on why he left

    Also, David Elleray presumably isn't employed by PGMO so different organisations. Bobby Madley said in FF interview that he has worked in a bar in Norway since and his children had to move house as he could no longer afford the mortgage on it.
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    Pitchside monitor finally used!

    I just don't think you can use one example to infer a change in directive, especially as there were other instances which didn't use an OFR. We know there was a change in directive after the monitor was used in Liverpool V West Brom in January 2018. It seems unlikely to me that after two...
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    SHE WHU VAR HB

    I'm confused by all the people saying it was a different player who created the goal-scoring opportunity. Wasn't it Rice who handled the ball (inadvertently) and then passed the ball to the goalscorer Snodgrass after gaining possession?
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    Pitchside monitor finally used!

    I'm not really convinced by this. Pitchside monitors weren't used at all in FA Cup last season (e..g penalty overturned in Chelsea V Sheffield Wednesday or red card shown by Martin Atkinson that was downgraded to yellow in Wolves V Man Utd) and a penalty was given to Tranmere V Watford on...
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    Man City vs Everton

    In many instances, an offside could be cleared up quicker than a subjective penalty appeal. If the original offside decision from the assistant is clearly correct and the striker is a yard or two offside then it's simpler to confirm that first and get on with the game rather than spending a...
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    Pitchside monitor finally used!

    I think it had already been stated before the weekend then the directive wouldn't be any different - and remember we've already seen VAR used for the Watford V Tranmere penalty yesterday for instance without the monitor being used. Referees have always been able to use the monitors if the...
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