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    Chelsea v Utd

    That quite rarely happened from memory - generally they only intervened if the referee/officials didn't see it. There haven't been many off-the-ball VAR decisions that I can think of this season.
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    Chelsea v Utd

    I think that's the big thing for me. It was such an obvious comparison that there's little credibility to VAR not intervening here. It would be interesting to know what the PGMO/Anthony Taylor thought of that Son red card. I think most people agreed with red but perhaps they didn't which might...
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    Chelsea v Utd

    I don't disagree but you can't get rid of VAR just because some VARs can't/don't make the correct judgement. If necessary, you just need to get rid of them as VARs and use the people who do make the correct decisions a higher percentage of the time. I don't think VAR has been anywhere near 100%...
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    Chelsea v Utd

    It gives us a better opportunity though. There have been plenty of high-profile matches this season where VAR has helped to give a pretty clear penalty not initially given for instance (e.g. Manchester derby, Spurs V Chelsea, Spurs V Man City). If Maguire had been sent off last night by VAR...
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    WBA vs Forest

    I'd have to see it again but from memory didn't the ball hit the West Brom player over the line and then come back out? My question would be how could the ball have gone over the line if it hit the West Brom player before the line in that situation (considering the ball hadn't ended up in the...
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    WBA vs Forest

    Don't they have goal-line technology in the Championship though? In which case, my presumption as the referee would be that the ball must have gone in before it hit the offside player because then it came back out. Hence, goal comes before offside. I'd have at least liked Stroud to go across to...
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    WBA vs Forest

    Presumably the offside must have been given for interfering with an opponent? They have goal-line technology in the Championship don't they so they must have known the ball had crossed the line when it hit him?
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    Wolves vs Leicester

    I don't really understand the confusion. You can see it in the still image posted above. The right foot (the red boot) of the corner taker Neto is on the red line which is ahead of both the ball and the second last defender. It's definitely the right decision with how they are operating VAR...
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    Liverpool v Shrewsbury

    It depends on the situation. If a team gains possession after a foul, keeps possession for a while, plays the ball back to their goalkeeper and then keep possession again for two minutes before scoring they're almost certainly not going to go back and disallow it because it wasn't part of the...
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    I think the way PGMO are applying VAR to encroachment (outside the goalkeeper situation) is the same as everywhere else; it's only penalised if they have a material impact. You can say people were annoyed because the goalkeeper was only an inch off the line but this is the thing that needs...
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    I don't think it's right to say the PL is the only competition not applying VAR to goalkeeper encroachment - the Champions League haven't done so either, with some obvious offences not being punished. The thing is people went 'mad' when VAR was regularly having penalties retaken over the summer...
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    Liverpool v Shrewsbury

    I don't think the above video has the offside bit included - I think it was against Golbourne who already has the ball when the clip starts. For me, this is part of the attacking phase of play as it's basically part of the move that leads to the goal. If Van Djik had committed an offence in...
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    I think it depends what the objective of VAR is. The Premier League's main objective (or certainly one of them) seemed to be to avoid the lengthy delays we've seen in other countries. I saw some average timings posted by a journalist recently and the PL was quicker than other leagues using VAR...
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    YouGov did a poll which suggests only a small percentage want it scrapped but the vast majority want improvement and aren't happy with how it is currently being used - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51375410
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    I think the Premier League needs to invest more in the staffing/resources so that angles can be found quicker. Mark Clattenburg mentioned how many people were working for ITV when he worked for them at the World Cup. You need experienced TV people there who can feed the best angles in...
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    But most people watching the WWC were saying they didn't want that and saying 'the PL will be a farce with this next season'. Look how people have reacted when encroachment has been penalised by VAR. I think in the wider public people aren't generally bothered about minor encroachment - or at...
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    Thinking about it some more, I have a vague recollection of reading something in the VAR handbook describing a situation similar to the one in the Newcastle V Liverpool game towards the end of last season (defenders handles the ball on the line, referee misses it, goal is scored anyway.) I'm...
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    To be fair, VAR was doing that all summer at the WWC and a lot of people were calling it farcical and saying they didn't want VAR to be used for that - so the PL decided they'd leave that to the on-field officials.
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    In this case, Man City had the ball most of the time so the chances of Spurs scoring were slim. I can think of some cases where there's been a half-hearted appeal down one end, a team have gone up the other end and scored and the goal has been given. If you'd stopped the game just because there...
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    Tottenham Hotspur vs Man City

    I understand the point that if it's clear and obvious it shouldn't take two minutes to make a decision but my point is that yesterday it DID take that amount of time and we're both agreed it was clear and obvious. Why it took that long I don't know but presumably Kevin Friend wasn't able to...
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