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Disallowed goal on 3:15. Unless there’s an angle we don’t see, that is a shambles.
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Peter Grove
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The VAR caption at the bottom of the screen says, "VAR check over." Isn't that what it normally says when the check shows that no offence has been committed?
For instance, in the Roma vs Lille game, the VAR caption showed us each time, what the thrice-retaken penalty was retaken for (i.e. what offence had been detected).
I've only seen the highlights clip so I don't know if in the original game, more info came up on the screen subsequently, or if the referee made an announcement as to why the goal was being ruled out.
For instance, in the Roma vs Lille game, the VAR caption showed us each time, what the thrice-retaken penalty was retaken for (i.e. what offence had been detected).
I've only seen the highlights clip so I don't know if in the original game, more info came up on the screen subsequently, or if the referee made an announcement as to why the goal was being ruled out.
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Seemingly according to Dale Johnson the on field team disallowed the goal for a handball and the VAR could not find the conclusive evidence to overturn the decision. I mean I'm 99% certain it did not hit the arm but you got to be 100% sure in these situations and Dale says the on field decision carries the weight
Messy situation though where you can't hear the referees whistle and no one in the ground seemed to be aware it was an on field decision.
Peter Grove
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I altered my original post before I saw yours, because I realised I'd worded it poorly in light of there apparently being an on-field decision of handball. But I would agree that (again, based on the clips I've seen, including a much longer one than this) there doesn't seem to be any sign of the referee calling a handball offence at the time.
Peter Grove
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I don't have TNT, so I can't go back and look at the full game coverage to see if they eventually put up more info in the VAR caption at the bottom of the screen, or if the referee made a verbal announcement. Do they do that in UEFA games?
I don't see why there would be a referee announcement anyway if his on-field decision has been upheld.
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I watched the full replay and Celtic were still celebrating 20seconds after the goal. There was no indication from Celtic, the referee or the commentary that the onfield decision was handball. Everything pointed to a goal given onfield and then VAR check.
There was also another angle shown which was a little more supportive of handball but certainly nothing conclusive. It looks like a goal disallowed by an oversealous VAR based on suspecion of handball which is unlikely at this leavel. There surely is more to this than we know.
There was also another angle shown which was a little more supportive of handball but certainly nothing conclusive. It looks like a goal disallowed by an oversealous VAR based on suspecion of handball which is unlikely at this leavel. There surely is more to this than we know.
You can clearly see the AR communicating with the referee in background after the goal has been scored that he thinks it’s handball (about 3:25 in the TNT highlights video). I recall during the live footage a whistle or two after that that was drowned out by the music being played. Referee took over from that time; the ball was never taken to the halfway line and he was ready with the ball by FK location while waiting for the VAR. Clearly no help to the crowd or viewers.
I can see why the AR would’ve thought it may have been an arm from his position, the R was clearly very far from the incident also, but the VAR really has to declare that there’s no offence and a goal should be awarded…
I can see why the AR would’ve thought it may have been an arm from his position, the R was clearly very far from the incident also, but the VAR really has to declare that there’s no offence and a goal should be awarded…
If it was given on-field it feels like the Mo Salah one from last weekend in reverse. In that one VAR had to be sure the ball hit his arm to recommend a review, in this one they have to be sure it didn't hit his arm to recommend a review. As Graham Scott said in his interview, to get involved they really have to be 100% certain it did / didn't hit the arm, and if they can't find conclusive evidence they have to stay out of it and leave the referee's decision alone.
Runner Ref
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Unless there is an angle we don’t see (which is scandalous if it’s the case) I don’t understand what further evidence they need.
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Looking at above video on Reddit, I think it’s the AR that alerts the referee to handball. This is also backed by Bobby Madden is a post he put online.
But, I can’t hear a whistle from the onfield referee to disallow the goal.
Looking at above video on Reddit, I think it’s the AR that alerts the referee to handball. This is also backed by Bobby Madden is a post he put online.
But, I can’t hear a whistle from the onfield referee to disallow the goal.
Definitely the AR telling the referee at 51:03 that it's handball, and if you turn the volume on that video up you can hear the whistle at 51:07.
Referee has been caught flat-footed and out of position, AR has guessed the 'handball' from 50 yards away and got it wrong, and VAR has somehow missed the clear and obvious. And even at 51:17, it still doesn't appear that the referee has actually made it obvious to the players on-field that the decision's been given. Seems like a bit of a shambles all round!
Agree. I think the other indicator is the 4th official talking to Brendan Rogers after the goal, can understand them speaking to the conceding manager who might well be moaning but not to the scoring manager unless they are indicating a potential problem.
That's a celtic official/coach, Adidas branding
Refs backing up Refs mistakes ad usual
Eh what?
The '4th' isn't a 4th, it's a celtic coach
The ref has been backed here and at the game despite obvious evidence to the contrary