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Goalkeeper picking ball up twice in youth games.

Well that depends on what the lowest age group is. If U7s are lowest age group and a referee isn’t confident, then there’s not too much that can be done.

Offsides are not part of mini soccer. If a referee would rather cover multiple mini soccer games in their weekend than 1 or 2 u15s, that is up to them.
Mini Soccer per se is not the issue. Using a qualified referee on a game involving 7-year-old's, on a day when older age groups in Mini Soccer (e. g. U-10, U-9, U-8) do not have a referee is not sensible IMHO.
 
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Mini Soccer per se is not the issue. Using a qualified referee on a game involving 7-year-old's, on a day when older age groups in Mini Soccer (e. g. U-10, U-9, U-8) do not have a referee is not sensible IMHO.
As has been said above, the games may be covered because clubs have put a referee through their course.

There’s also the facts that one of the younger games may be closer to a young referee than one of the slightly older age groups. U7 to u10 is hardly a major difference. Laws will be the same. After that, offsides, large pitches and more players get involved.

My point is not that you should necesssrily put a referee on an U7 game ahead of an U10 game. More that those age groups are mini soccer, which many new referees will be more comfortable refereeing. As opposed to 9v9 or 11v11.
 
As has been said above, the games may be covered because clubs have put a referee through their course.

There’s also the facts that one of the younger games may be closer to a young referee than one of the slightly older age groups. U7 to u10 is hardly a major difference. Laws will be the same. After that, offsides, large pitches and more players get involved.

My point is not that you should necesssrily put a referee on an U7 game ahead of an U10 game. More that those age groups are mini soccer, which many new referees will be more comfortable refereeing. As opposed to 9v9 or 11v11.
Apart from keep time & restarts, what does a referee actually do in an u7 match?
 
You could say that about any age group. You’d just end up defining a referees roles & responsibilities
But as you said, 9 v 9 there's offsides and the occasional foul to consider. I genuinely fail to see why a qualified referee is needed at u7s. How many a side is that age group?
 
But as you said, 9 v 9 there's offsides and the occasional foul to consider. I genuinely fail to see why a qualified referee is needed at u7s. How many a side is that age group?
If you’re interested you can look it up.

But to basically look down on referees for making this choice and their abilities is very disrespectful. I honestly don’t understand why you’re so bothered.

Join a league committee and you will see how difficult it is to cover games in general. Regardless of age group
 
If you’re interested you can look it up.

But to basically look down on referees for making this choice and their abilities is very disrespectful. I honestly don’t understand why you’re so bothered.

Join a league committee and you will see how difficult it is to cover games in general. Regardless of age group
I haven't looked down on referees and I wouldn't do that. This is nothing to do with any referee who chooses to do u7 football. If you offered 3 v 3, u5s then some would want to start there before moving to u7s. My issue is that it's even an option (unless other age groups are fully covered. This is a place to debate, and I'm offering my view. I'm fully aware of the difficulties in referee coverage, I've alluded to that several times already.

You were right to suggest that I look up the rules as I am ignorant on them, so I did. It's 5aside and the FAs own guidance states that referees role is "to facilitate the learning of the players". Coaching.....

9v9 is a perfectly good place for people who aren't confident enough to do 11 v 11 to start in my opinion.
 
I haven't looked down on referees and I wouldn't do that. This is nothing to do with any referee who chooses to do u7 football. If you offered 3 v 3, u5s then some would want to start there before moving to u7s. My issue is that it's even an option (unless other age groups are fully covered. This is a place to debate, and I'm offering my view. I'm fully aware of the difficulties in referee coverage, I've alluded to that several times already.

You were right to suggest that I look up the rules as I am ignorant on them, so I did. It's 5aside and the FAs own guidance states that referees role is "to facilitate the learning of the players". Coaching.....

9v9 is a perfectly good place for people who aren't confident enough to do 11 v 11 to start in my opinion.
By saying you have an issue with it being an option would suggest you look down on people for doing it………

9v9 is a perfectly good place for people to start refereeing at that age if they wish. As is mini soccer.
 
By saying you have an issue with it being an option would suggest you look down on people for doing it………

9v9 is a perfectly good place for people to start refereeing at that age if they wish. As is mini soccer.
That's nonsense. I mentor and coach several referees who are starting their journey in 9v9 football. I've nothing but praise for anyone who starts. I simply don't believe 6 year olds playing uncompetitive 5aside requires a referee when older age groups are going without
 
That's nonsense. I mentor and coach several referees who are starting their journey in 9v9 football. I've nothing but praise for anyone who starts. I simply don't believe 6 year olds playing uncompetitive 5aside requires a referee when older age groups are going without
And that’s your opinion. Doesn’t mean it is correct.

I’d suggest opening your mind. Many academy clubs will ask for referees for their mini soccer games. I learnt so much from these in my early years. And for what it’s worth, I was coached by current SG1 & SG2 officials (since you wanted to throw coaching in there). They didn’t look down at mini soccer, and I’d suggest you don’t.
 
No right and wrong answer to this, but if I was the appointments officer for a youth league and had a limited pool of referees I would fill games down from the oldest age group. I'd much rather have an U7 game without a league referee than a U15 game, that is just common sense.

Personally speaking, I can't really see what benefit a qualified referee brings to an U7 game. Aside from the risk of parents being idiots, which isn't really for the referee to deal with anyway, what is a referee really going to be doing in those games.
 
No right and wrong answer to this, but if I was the appointments officer for a youth league and had a limited pool of referees I would fill games down from the oldest age group. I'd much rather have an U7 game without a league referee than a U15 game, that is just common sense.

Personally speaking, I can't really see what benefit a qualified referee brings to an U7 game. Aside from the risk of parents being idiots, which isn't really for the referee to deal with anyway, what is a referee really going to be doing in those games.
It’s not necessarily about seeing what a referee brings to a game. It’s what they’re comfortable with.

And to judge referees based on their choice is pretty harsh. If they just want to stick to mini soccer, that is their prerogative .
 
It’s not necessarily about seeing what a referee brings to a game. It’s what they’re comfortable with.

And to judge referees based on their choice is pretty harsh. If they just want to stick to mini soccer, that is their prerogative .
I'm not judging referees based on anything, I'm just saying that I would appoint from the older age groups down. If I had a referee that said he was only comfortable with U7 games I guess I'd have to take that into account, but I'd be surprised if that was the case unless it was a brand new referee learning his trade. Realistically a referee of a u7 game does very, very little, and I would argue it isn't really helping the referee to progress.
 
I'm not judging referees based on anything, I'm just saying that I would appoint from the older age groups down. If I had a referee that said he was only comfortable with U7 games I guess I'd have to take that into account, but I'd be surprised if that was the case unless it was a brand new referee learning his trade. Realistically a referee of a u7 game does very, very little, and I would argue it isn't really helping the referee to progress.
Not all referees want to progress. Some just want an easy bit of money.
 
Not all referees want to progress. Some just want an easy bit of money.
There is nothing wrong with refereeing just for some easy money. The pyramid needs us all. But just because referees want to referee a game where they do pretty much nothing for easy money, that doesn't mean they should be offered it. 9 v 9 is usually easy money too in that respect.
 
Not all referees want to progress. Some just want an easy bit of money.
I didn't say they did, but equally if I'm appointing referees they don't get to tell me what specific games they will only do, that would be the tail wagging the dog. I'd have been elected by the clubs and would therefore be responsible for making the appointments in an optimal way as possible. If I have 30 games and only 20 referees it would be the younger age groups that would either have to find their own referee or have a coach referee it.

Of course, if a referee didn't like this he could leave the league panel and go to referee whatever game he likes. However, if he takes an U7 game and this particular week I have enough referees I will appoint to it, and my appointment would take precedence to any appointment made by the home club.
 
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