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OldNavyRef

OldNavyRef

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So here's one I struggle with.

Player gets hurt in a reckless challenge.

You decide to call the physio on right away as player safety is the most important thing.

Then you isolate the offender and issue a caution.

Because you issued a caution after bringing the physio on you need to send the injured player to the side for receiving treatment.

Or is that not true.
 
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Law 5.3

Reasons to not send players to the side.

"a player is injured as the result of a physical offence for which the opponent is cautioned or sent off (e.g. reckless or serious foul challenge), if the assessment/treatment is completed quickly"


Reason I bring this up. One of my assistants buzzed me to tell me player needs to go to the side as I issued caution after calling physio on. Extremely experienced gentleman.
 
Also when I first started running the line. I was on for someone's observation. I noticed he sent a player to the side even though he issued a caution. He justified it by saying he hadn't issued the caution yet.

Just seems a weird interpretation.
 
OldNavyRef said:
Law 5.3

Reasons to not send players to the side.

"a player is injured as the result of a physical offence for which the opponent is cautioned or sent off (e.g. reckless or serious foul challenge), if the assessment/treatment is completed quickly"


Reason I bring this up. One of my assistants buzzed me to tell me player needs to go to the side as I issued caution after calling physio on. Extremely experienced gentleman.
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In the guidelines it says the player has to go off if not completed quickly and it describes this as 20-25 seconds from when everyone is ready to restart.

OldNavyRef said:
Also when I first started running the line. I was on for someone's observation. I noticed he sent a player to the side even though he issued a caution. He justified it by saying he hadn't issued the caution yet.

Just seems a weird interpretation.
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Yeh he was wrong with that
 
JamesL said:
Yeh he was wrong with that
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So just making sure I have this right.

So as long as the injury happened as part of a reckless/excessive challenge. It doesn't matter when you issue the caution/dismissal. The player can stay on (assuming treatment doesn't take too long).

Just weird I have heard from two different people (possibly 4) at different times about the discipline needing to happen before treatment is called on.

I just can't find anything to justify it in law. Law is vague. But I think it gears towards not caring what order you issue discipline/treatment.
 
OldNavyRef said:
So just making sure I have this right.

So as long as the injury happened as part of a reckless/excessive challenge. It doesn't matter when you issue the caution/dismissal. The player can stay on (assuming treatment doesn't take too long).

Just weird I have heard from two different people (possibly 4) at different times about the discipline needing to happen before treatment is called on.

I just can't find anything to justify it in law. Law is vague. But I think it gears towards not caring what order you issue discipline/treatment.
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Additionally, I've been advised that if I can slow down the caution procedure in these situations to ensure that treatment is completed in time for the player to stay on the pitch, then do so, as the game expects that a player should be able to stay on after the opposition is cautioned, even though law has that caveat.
 
RefereeX said:
Additionally, I've been advised that if I can slow down the caution procedure in these situations to ensure that treatment is completed in time for the player to stay on the pitch, then do so, as the game expects that a player should be able to stay on after the opposition is cautioned, even though law has that caveat.
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This is the time to follow the full cautioning procedure!

Nice lengthy chat to explain the caution, ask them to spell their name 😂
 
Will_A said:
This is the time to follow the full cautioning procedure!

Nice lengthy chat to explain the caution, ask them to spell their name 😂
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Had this exact situation in midweek. Sure felt silly when the player went “S-M-I-T-H” and looked at me like I was insane. 😂
 
OldNavyRef said:
Just weird I have heard from two different people (possibly 4) at different times about the discipline needing to happen before treatment is called on.

I just can't find anything to justify it in law. Law is vague. But I think it gears towards not caring what order you issue discipline/treatment.
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I think this has come from a misinterpretation of the title "Treatment/assessment after a caution/sending-off". This title should have had the word "offence" at the end to remove ambiguity. Treatment/assessment does not have to happen after the caution/sending-off, but obviously it can only happen after the offence that caused the injury.
 
RefereeX said:
Additionally, I've been advised that if I can slow down the caution procedure in these situations to ensure that treatment is completed in time for the player to stay on the pitch, then do so, as the game expects that a player should be able to stay on after the opposition is cautioned, even though law has that caveat.
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Good advice but context is important. The flip side here is 3 minutes to go and the 'injured' player team is one up, the player knows the law and taking the micky. Safety first but use a bit of common sense to make the law work for your match control. Be it to stretch the 20-25 seconds as much as you can, or shrink it as much as possible.
 
Good old "very experienced chaps" eh?

I always prioritise treatment over a card unless I need to flash it to cool down a situation, most often though a quick wave to the physio will not delay a card much
 
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