Newcastle - Liverpool
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Even so, surely the game is not 'live' until the referee blows the whistle and maybe not until the kick is taken otherwise if say a team is winning and get a free kick, then take as much time as you like because it's not going to get added onto the minimum of stoppage time?
How did he give 30 seconds extra when he blew at 8 seconds over the minimum of 5?
When he blew it was 3 against 5 defenders and it only looked as bad as it did because 3 of the 5 stopped when the whistle went, but it was still SPAR (SPA by referee).
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That is why we have cautions for delaying the restart . . .
You can see the whistle go to his mouth after Pope has thrown the ball and he's blown before Isak's even touched it.
IFAB should write this into law explicitly. And this is where "football expectation" loses credibility because football expects a promising attack to conclude, inc. taking of a corner kick before play is stopped for half or full time.
I know the laws say play is only extended for taking of a PK so it is covered but football, evidently, doesn't understand this. The law should be written more explicitly.
I know the laws say play is only extended for taking of a PK so it is covered but football, evidently, doesn't understand this. The law should be written more explicitly.
But it depends if the referee blew his whistle for the free kick or not or was it as Greame says, was Newcastle faffing around with it after the whistle have went. I didn't see the game but apparently there was the free kick and a VAR check for a potential Liverpool penalty in stoppage time so one would assume more than 10 seconds would be added on and that perhaps that is also where the "controversy" comes from.
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3 Liverpool players also stop as they hear the whistle. Had Madley not whistled, the attack isn’t quite a 3v1, which is how it ended up looking.
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Time isn’t going to be added for the speed of taking a free kick during added time more than it is for a FK taken elsewhere in the game. Typically the time added for a FK is 0.
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The FT whistle was badly timed and not audible enough even though it came momentarily before spectators thought it had. It's no big deal, but the exact timing invited dissent and Pope duly obliged. Let's not kid ourselves... time is not up when it's up, time is up when it's in the Referee's best interests to call time and he mis-timed the whistle on this occasion. Fine lines, but louder and two or three seconds earlier and he's nailed it
Overall, despite Pro Footballers uniting with their viewpoint that VVD knew what he was doing when flattening Gordon in the PA and it would have been entirely supportable had Madeley awarded Isak a spot kick later in the game, I thought the Referee was good on the whole and contributed to the best game of the season. It's normal to bleat about a few things even when the Ref has had a good game
Overall, despite Pro Footballers uniting with their viewpoint that VVD knew what he was doing when flattening Gordon in the PA and it would have been entirely supportable had Madeley awarded Isak a spot kick later in the game, I thought the Referee was good on the whole and contributed to the best game of the season. It's normal to bleat about a few things even when the Ref has had a good game
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I mean, I would say exactly the opposite - part of the reason it was such a good game was the atmosphere generated by the referee winding up basically everyone in the stadium with his poor decisions.
The two Newcastle penalty shouts you refer to - one (VVD) was stonewall and a bad miss, the other was more debatable. Poor not to at least give one.
Liverpool also had two penalty shouts - one was made irrelevant by a goal being scored seconds after but was still an awful miss, and the other was probably not a penalty, but was a really poor decision to stick with the advantage and play on rather than go back for the FK just outside the area seconds earlier.
Caution tolerance was all over the place. MacAllister's was from a really soft nothing foul in the middle of the pitch inexplicably given as SPA and both Trent and Nunez were booked as a result of Gordon diving and the ref falling for it. Conversely, Joelinton fouled only twice, but one of them was easily reckless and the other was more SPA than MacAllister's, but no card.
And actually, I do think I was a bit generous earlier regarding the final whistle. If it's really true that he only played 8s over the minimum rather than the 30-ish I thought, that's also really poor given the VAR check and long FK delay. Overall, genuinely one of the most underwhelming overall refereeing performances I remember seeing in the PL.
The two Newcastle penalty shouts you refer to - one (VVD) was stonewall and a bad miss, the other was more debatable. Poor not to at least give one.
Liverpool also had two penalty shouts - one was made irrelevant by a goal being scored seconds after but was still an awful miss, and the other was probably not a penalty, but was a really poor decision to stick with the advantage and play on rather than go back for the FK just outside the area seconds earlier.
Caution tolerance was all over the place. MacAllister's was from a really soft nothing foul in the middle of the pitch inexplicably given as SPA and both Trent and Nunez were booked as a result of Gordon diving and the ref falling for it. Conversely, Joelinton fouled only twice, but one of them was easily reckless and the other was more SPA than MacAllister's, but no card.
And actually, I do think I was a bit generous earlier regarding the final whistle. If it's really true that he only played 8s over the minimum rather than the 30-ish I thought, that's also really poor given the VAR check and long FK delay. Overall, genuinely one of the most underwhelming overall refereeing performances I remember seeing in the PL.
Not a Cat in Hells Chance an EPL Ref or VAR is gonna be brave enough to dismiss VVD for that and award a PK
Quite unlikely an EPL Ref is gonna be brave enough to give the Isak PK against the top side and very unlikely indeed VAR is gonna indicate a Review.
Did Madeley suddenly dread the thought of the top side in the EPL losing 30s or so over the minimum added time? Of course he did. That's how we all roll. Ultimately, Madeley made the decisions that kept him out the Headlines. He made the rights KMD's for himself. That's the culture and that's what represents good Refereeing unfortunately. That's the game. I think he did OK on that basis and gave KMD's the game expected, rightly or wrongly.
In general play, Ref was balanced and didn't irritate me which was good
And just for clarity, I'm not inferring any conscious bias at all
Quite unlikely an EPL Ref is gonna be brave enough to give the Isak PK against the top side and very unlikely indeed VAR is gonna indicate a Review.
Did Madeley suddenly dread the thought of the top side in the EPL losing 30s or so over the minimum added time? Of course he did. That's how we all roll. Ultimately, Madeley made the decisions that kept him out the Headlines. He made the rights KMD's for himself. That's the culture and that's what represents good Refereeing unfortunately. That's the game. I think he did OK on that basis and gave KMD's the game expected, rightly or wrongly.
In general play, Ref was balanced and didn't irritate me which was good
And just for clarity, I'm not inferring any conscious bias at all
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I thought falling for the Gordon dive with YC for Nunez for dissent was the low point. But the YC was Nunez’s fault. He just seems to be a stupid footballer (and the quicker he is sold to Spurs the better!)